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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to the Minister for the response. I think it's always important we always continually have that feedback with all our policies because things are always changing, always evolving. It's always keeping things up to date always. That is good to know. My next question is: when are we going to expect to see this overarching review of this policy? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. I do just have an update. It was last done in April of 2019. At that time, two years ago, they added a $75,000 increase for strategic initiatives. I just wanted to let the Member know that. I commit to doing this soon. SEED has become one of the largest conversations I have been having in the last while. I think that it is a great tool for us to use to build small business in the North. We have had lots and lots of conversation about how business is needed in the North. I commit to review the SEED program in whole. Let me get through COVID. I will perhaps say by the end of the year and looking at more of a strategic, long-term one for it, not this sort of smaller, incremental reactions that we have to do at the time to just move ourselves forward. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the response. Just one more little, technical question from a line item on page 202, fees and payments. Actuals a couple years back on fees and payments were $277,000. Now, they are only $60,000. Why is that number a lot less than it was before? Marsi cho.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

One second, I just have so many pages here. Fees and payments, we had an increase of $6,000 that we had to move over to compensation and benefits. They were moved to reinstate a budget that was used to cover a lack of incremental collective bargaining salary increases. There was the delay with the negotiations, and we had to go and back-pay people. That had to get moved around in different areas in the funding. The bargaining salary increases included things like registration fees, professional memberships, miscellaneous fees, licences and permits, non-employee courses and training. We had an increase of $6,000 again. Sorry, that was the funds, again. We had a variance, a drop of $223,000. Ninety-eight thousand was the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program sales commission, and $128,000 was for a small businesses training and workshop. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn

Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Madam Chair. I have nothing further.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. We have been here eight months now. I don't know when we are going to stop using the excuse of being a new Minister or a new whatever because I voted for a lot of the people on the other side. I voted for them because I knew they had capabilities. Using the excuse all the time that they are a new Minister and not being able to answer the questions is no longer an excuse. Are we going to be doing this until Christmas or next year or whenever? I just want to make sure that we are all clear on that.

With that, I am excited about this page, also, 203. Business Development and Investment Corporation is an excellent entity. We have to ensure that the development side is also taken care of. I know you are going for a new CEO recruitment. I hope the person does have some knowledge of the North, but I also hope the person has amazing and new ideas, is absolutely neutral and objective, neutral and objective in understand people's needs, not one that goes in and thinks they can be a dictator in that job and not be able to be approachable by anybody in the -- because we are a small population in the Northwest Territories. If we are going to further our economic activities, both for small business, medium, and large, that person has got to be able to speak to all three on the same level. Those are very specific qualities that this person should have. I encourage you to ensure that, Madam Minister. On the line of $2,012,000, I was wondering if I could have the allocations by region for the funds. That is my first question.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Sorry. Just flipping through the regions by funds. I will pass this over to Ms. St-Denis. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. St-Denis.

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St-Denis

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. There is a bit more detail further in the mains about BDIC, but it's really about the operating budget for the entity. Our regional offices take the loan applications for BDIC at the regional level in order to then forward that to BDIC for processing.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. St-Denis. Member.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Madam Chair, I would like to have the definite allocations by region. I also want to specify that we have had in the past in different regions. We used to have a neutral board before, an arm's-length board that looked after the disbursement of loans. I think when you have an arm's-length board that it's more of an input from businesspeople. I think that it's something to look at. I am not saying you have to do it, but I would like to see the options that we make sure that neutral, objective decisions are made for people, ordinary people, medium business, and large business. It's very important. If we are going to succeed in the economy, those are the kind of decisions that have to be made. I am sure you are quite aware of that. A lot of times, things are put forward, and it's only by one person's views. That is not the way to go. We are serving the people of the Northwest Territories to further the economy. We have to think more broadly. That has always been my objective in business. No matter where I've been, whether it was serving on the National Capital Commission or working with Aboriginal groups across Canada, it was always an objective view. It's extremely important that people are objective. You're going to be hiring a really important person, here, and I think that objectivity is very, very important.

The other thing I want to talk about is the aftercare for new business. I'm sure that there are some new businesses that are not going to survive. I would like to see a more personal and individual approach to some of these businesses for their aftercare. We want everybody to survive. It's very difficult in these times. You know, in a lot of places, the service industry is suffering; the hotels, the restaurants, the small clothing stores. Just people who we know, all of us. Like, even in Yellowknife, here. I've been to a lot of places before this happened and got to meet a lot of the businesspeople, and we have to be able to support these people. Individual aftercare is extremely important, on an individual basis. You know, you have staff. I'm not saying you have to go there. I'm saying that you have staff who should be approaching and listening to some of their concerns and making sure that we try to save every single business that we could, because we don't have a large business community in the North, especially small businesses. There are a lot of concerns. It's not only the big ones we have to save; we also have to save the small ones. That's just a point that I wanted to make with you.

The other thing I wanted to mention was I wanted to ask about the "support to entrepreneurs and economic development," that line, if I could just have maybe an idea of what that includes, a little bit more detail?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

[Microphone turned off].

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Oh, sorry, you have to wait for the microphone. Are you going to ask that question, Member?

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Could I ask the question now? Okay. I'm just wondering, Madam Chair, the SEED money, the allocation by region of the funds. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm actually going to respond to your first question about the BDIC by allocation. I do have that answer for you right now, by region. In the North Slave, we spent $1.07 million. In the South Slave, we spent $2.07 million. In the Sahtu, we spent about $20,000. In the Deh Cho, we spent $212,000. In the Beaufort-Delta, we spent $1.3 million. So that's the BDIC, and I'm just going to try to find in my many schedules the SEED one. My apologies, committee. All right.

With SEED, by region, I've got a few different breakdowns, here. Northwest Territories-wide, we've spent $366,000, or 9 percent of the share. So that would be one that doesn't fit sort of a specific region. In the Beaufort-Delta, we have spent $630,930, which is about 16 percent of the share. In the Deh Cho, we have spent $696,796, or 18 percent of the share. In the North Slave, we have spent $809,000, or 20 percent of the share. In the Sahtu, we have spent $733,000, or 19 percent of the share. In the South Slave, we have spent $719,000, or 18 percent of the share. I should just say that the Northwest Territories-wide ones are more the strategic types of initiatives that are larger. Thank you, Madam Chair.