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Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, Madam Chair, this is a base budget that was developed coming out of devolution, when certainly the amounts that were anticipated for resource royalties and that were being received for resource royalties were much higher than what they are right now or certainly what they have been in the last year. What would happen is that the amount lapses; it does not get paid out. It's not actual money right now. It's not here. It's money that we are anticipating and that would then, if the revenues are supported, if the actual revenues are supported to reach this goal, that amount is paid out. If it was not here and we actually achieved this, we would be coming back for a supplementary appropriation to pay out whatever the actual amount is. However, all that said, I would agree that this is a particular line item where we do not need to rely necessarily on the devolution data from several years ago, now that we can do a better job on this one of mending what is here to be more reflective of the actual sum. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, you just reiterated what I said, which is that it's going to be dependent on that, so again, I really struggle with why we sit here and have these numbers that are not realistic, creating extra work for ourselves later on to come back and adopt. The answer coming back is, "Well, this is what we do." Well, you are the government; it's what you do. I do believe changes can be made. You just commented that this one could be made, so I am not sure why then that argument flies for other areas, such as travel, et cetera. Yes. More and more, I just feel like this creates confusion, creates areas where the Cabinet or the departments can move money around without us having oversight on it. We are in an unprecedented era, so perhaps the GNWT needs to start doing things in an unprecedented manner instead of just saying, "This is the way we have done it," because we are not in a normal time. I am sitting here trying to agree and pass a budget that you are telling me is not realistic right from the start, so I feel like it makes it very hard for me to do my job and be diligent. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I have also raised my concern with respect to the idea of doing base budgeting and incremental budgeting, which is exactly why I am proposing to do the government renewal initiative and do a value-based budgeting. I am not proposing to simply come in and pick one area or another without evidence and without knowing what the values are and then say we are going to make adjustments. That, to me, is not the right way to make policy changes.

This is a particular item where it is an item that lapses if it is not received because it is owed to Aboriginal parties, and it is not one that we can move around. It does not get moved around. It does not get shovelled. It simply lapses if we do not achieve the amount that is available to be transferred to the Indigenous groups and Indigenous governments, so that does make it a little bit easier and different than some of the other ones which are in base budget amounts. Now, again, I do hope that there are ways that we can start to do a different approach to budgeting, and that is exactly what we are bringing about, starting this year. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Great Slave.

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Katrina Nokleby

Katrina Nokleby Great Slave

Thank you for that. Forgive me if I do not hold a lot of optimism in the GNWT's renewal and studying and the siloed approach, to then again bringing down our silos as we go through department by department. I really do not see that this is going to lead to a lot other than talking for the next two years, nothing changing, and we continue on in the exact same manner. More of a comment. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Are there any further questions under management board secretariat? Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

I have just got a couple of questions. One of them is, first of all, the Summer Student Employment Program because it comes under human resources and all of this department, so is that going to go back to its original quotas that they had? Last year, they hardly hired anyone. This is the concern that I have.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Martselos. That is back from the human resource section that we passed or we agreed to, but if the Minister of Finance wants to just give a response?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. There certainly was a pause put on when COVID-19 came about, and there was a lot of uncertainty in what would be happening as workers were all moved to working at home over the spring and summer. Now, that said, as of December 1st, there are openings already posting for students for 2021, for the summer of 2021 as well as for the 2021-2022 internship program, so it is certainly my hope that the program will be back up to full speed and full strength. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos

Frieda Martselos Thebacha

I disagree with one of my colleagues. I believe in the renewal strategy because we have got to start making decisions that are based on proper financial statistics and the dollars that we have and what we have to work with. The way things are done now, it's not okay. That is not the way you would run a business. That is all I have. Just a comment, no more questions.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Are there any further questions under the management board secretariat? Seeing none, it's a good place to stop. Noting the time, I will rise and report progress.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Report of Committee of the Whole. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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Lesa Semmler

Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Minister's Statement 77-19(2), National Housing Co-Investment Fund; Tabled Document 165-19(2); Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 1-19(2): Report on Long-Term Post-Pandemic Recovery - Recommendations to the GNWT; Tabled Document 166-19(2), Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 2-19(2): Report on Long-Term Post-Pandemic Recovery - Recommendations to the GNWT; Tabled Document 167-19(2), Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 3-19(2): Report on Long-Term Post-Pandemic Recovery - Recommendations to the GNWT; and Tabled Document 286-19(2), Main Estimates 2021-2022 and, Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with.

Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you. May I have a seconder? Member for Nunakput. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 23, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, Orders of the Day.

Orders Of The Day
Orders Of The Day

February 8th, 2021

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Clerk Of The House Mr. Tim Mercer

Orders of the day for Tuesday, February 9, 2021, at 1:30 p.m.:

  1. Prayer
  2. Ministers' Statements
  3. Members' Statements
  4. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
  5. Replies to Budget Address (Day 4 of 7)
  6. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
  7. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
  8. Returns to Oral Questions
  9. Acknowledgements
  10. Oral Questions
  11. Written Questions
  12. Returns to Written Questions
  13. Replies to Commissioner's Address
  14. Petitions
  15. Tabling of Documents
  16. Notices of Motion
  17. Motions
  18. Notices of Motion for First Reading of Bills
  19. First Reading of Bills
  20. Second Reading of Bills
  21. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Minister's Statement 77-19(2), National Housing Co‐Investment Fund

- Tabled Document 165-19(2), Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 1-19(2): Report on Long-Term Post-Pandemic Recovery - Recommendations to the GNWT

- Tabled Document 166-19(2), Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 2-19(2): Report on Long-Term Post-Pandemic Recovery - Recommendations to the GNWT

- Tabled Document 167-19(2), Government of the Northwest Territories Response to Committee Report 3-19(2): Report on Long-Term Post-Pandemic Recovery - Recommendations to the GNWT

- Tabled Document 286-19(2), Main Estimates 2021-2022

  1. Report of Committee of the Whole
  2. Third Reading of Bills
  3. Orders of the Day

Orders Of The Day
Orders Of The Day

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The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Tuesday, February 9, 2021, at 1:30 p.m.

---ADJOURNMENT

The House adjourned at 6:02 p.m.