This is page numbers 2439 - 2492 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. One of my frustrations with government is how much time we spend paying ourselves. I bet you there are about 50 government positions that do nothing else than move money around, and I see, every year, we pay MACA and Lands $1.8 million. We require them to assess all of the Housing Corporation buildings; we require them to review lease conditions. That's a lot of work, and it's a lot of money that the Housing Corporation then just puts to the GNWT. Has the Housing Corporation had a conversation, or is it possible for us to stop paying ourselves this $1.8 million?

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. That would be a conversation I would have to have with my colleagues in the Departments of Lands and Municipal and Community Affairs. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I know the Minister, both as MACA and in her previous life, is well aware of a lot of the burdens of dealing with the assessments, and that it's not necessarily an easy task to pay ourselves. It can actually become quite complicated. Similarly, in this vein, in 2014 the Housing Corporation signed an agreement with the GNWT to obtain all of their leases in fee simple. I asked the Minister of Lands about that today, and we have made very little progress on this. The agreement is actually to do it for $1, which then would reduce some of the lease fees that we have to pay to ourselves. Can I just get an update on what, from the Housing Corporation's perspective, is holding this work back? Why can't we obtain our units in fee simple? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to reiterate what my colleague for the Department of Lands said, it's consultations within the specific regions. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I know the Housing Corporation is in frequent conversations to transfer units to Indigenous governments, and I think there is some tension there because they don't want to take on those units without the maintenance funding that comes with them. Have we transferred any of our Housing Corporation leases in fee simple to Indigenous governments? Is this part of the plan of getting them in fee simple? I understand that consultation with Indigenous governments to get land can be difficult. If part of the goal is to then give it to the Indigenous governments, it seems that consultation is much easier. Have we ever transferred Housing Corporation unit leases to Indigenous governments? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, we have. I'm not specific on the region or the area. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to clarify, if we transfer it to an Indigenous government, do we do that in fee simple or are we just transferring the lease? Is fee simple a requirement to then give housing to Indigenous governments? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would have to have a conversation with my colleague for the Department of Lands for lands transactions. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to get one more follow-up. I know we did the 2017 assessment, and we concluded that it's cheaper to build housing and own it than it is to rent off these southern landlords. I also think that the GNWT has done this analysis, and it's much cheaper for almost all of these line items. It's cheaper for electrical power, if we build according to new GNWT standards. It's cheaper for the $6 million we pay in heating fuel here. It's not just purely the calculation of whether the rent is cheaper than the overall operations. It's cheaper in almost every analysis that we could possibly do. I don't really want to see another analysis on this from the Housing Corporation. This work has been done before. We know, if we build according to good building standards, we save money. Does the department have a plan to build housing to replace the 200 units that we rent off our southern landlords? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have Vice-President Martin respond. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Martin.

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Martin

Thank you, Madam Chair. As mentioned, the Housing Corporation certainly recognizes that it's important to continue to invest in new buildings, new energy-efficient buildings, and in doing so, that does enable the Housing Corporation to reduce our lease requirements for existing housing stock, so that's certainly something that we continue to look at, and those opportunities. We're fortunate that we do have programs such as the co-investment fund where we have private developers that are also looking at opportunities to invest, and the Housing Corporation as well as those private developers is also looking at opportunities to access additional federal funding to build additional units, as well. We will certainly continue to move in that direction, also. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Are there any further questions under community housing services? Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I think this is the part where the community housing plans fall under. Is that correct? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

I think so, yes. Go ahead.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I see that there are 33 communities, of course. I think there has been one completed for Whati. Do we actually have a schedule for the rest of the communities, at this point? Thanks, Madam Chair.