Thank you can the Minister detail how much GNWT employees contribute to health benefits and how much the GNWT pays?

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of compensation for GNWT benefits is handled by the Department of Finance, and so I don't have that information available. Thank you

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister responsible for Housing NWT.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Member for the question as well too, and I just wanted to just speak about our policy review that we are doing now, and I want to make this a priority when we are reviewing and considering the changes.

Right now, we don't have a database that separates those details. It's just mainly looking at arrears as a whole. I would have to get back to the Member with that information, specifically for arrears for seniors. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'll be honest, I'm hoping that the information can be provided to the people of the Northwest Territories and not just myself. The principles of arrears collections states that arrears should be forgiven where collection is not possible but elders, not working and without income, are still expected to repay their public housing arrears. So I'm wondering without knowing how many of their residents are elders, how does NWT Housing -- or Housing NWT, sorry, determine if repayment is not possible from their clients? Thank you

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our main goal is to be working closely with the clients as best as possible for their current situation. In public housing, rent payments are calculated based on the Canada Revenue Agency information that is provided annually. Tenants at that -- to determine the tenant's income level. But I also want to include that the rent calculation is at 4 percent of their gross income, and the maximum rent is 19 percent of their gross income. Nationally, the standard is 30 percent. We are one of the lowest jurisdictions throughout Canada.

I also wanted to include that Housing NWT does follow the Financial Administration Act as well too, just for consideration if we are looking at forgivenesses or write-off, we have to make sure that we are in accordance with the legislation and required approval from the Financial Management Board. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that calculation that the Minister was talking about was for rent, not for the repayment of arrears. And so currently in the Northwest Territories, we have elders, at the age of 87, paying over half of their monthly income towards their arrears and for their housing. So their combined amount that they're paying back to Housing NWT exceeds half of what they're bringing in. That means an elder living in a small community in the Northwest Territories is trying to pay for all the rest of their monthly expenses with less than $300. And by my calculation, from my trips to the grocery store recently, that's about three and a half bags of groceries for an entire month.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister also stated that Housing NWT works closely with their clients to figure out what works for them, and if an elder is paying that much money towards their arrears, then that's not working closely with our elders.

So, Mr. Speaker, given the policy change that occurred earlier in this Assembly, where it was prohibited for elders to be charged rent based on income of adult children living in their unit as a means to prevent elder abuse, does Housing NWT intend to address the arrears that were accumulated by elders before the policy change that are still being held accountable for the arrears accumulated from the incomes that are not their own? Thank you

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Member for the question as well too that, you know, we are just in the middle right now of really working with our new mandate that we had published earlier this year as well, and I really appreciate the comments that are coming forward as well because it really drives the change on how it is that we're going to be looking at our programming and changing them as well too.

For the public housing tenants, they are encouraged to be going into the local housing authorities as well too, and moving to a month-to-month rent assessment as well and looking at the work that is done with the local housing authorities that we are -- we will be working more closely with our tenants so we could flag those issues and being able to provide more opportunity for the rent calculations and also for collecting of the arrears. This is something I would like to bring back to the department as well too and really look at those numbers that we actually do have that are outstanding. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary. Member for Kam Lake.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, currently 487 former tenants of Housing NWT, and I'd like to point out that only 51 are from Yellowknife, so over 400 former tenants of Housing NWT currently owe about $7.8 million in arrears owed to Housing NWT. These tenants are unable to put their names on waitlists for public housing, and they live in public housing dominated communities. They're unable to access homeownership programs or home repair programs.

How does Housing NWT plan to address these arrears, given the reliance of many communities on Housing NWT public housing and programs, and is there a mechanism where residents can again gain access to these programs while they are still working at paying down their arrears? Thank you

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Housing NWT does allow applicants with rental arrears to be on the waitlist if they provide a repayment agreement in place to follow up with their application that they are submitting. For private homeowners, Mr. Speaker, homeowners in zone B and C in communities with mortgage arrears are still able to access our repair programs. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Final supplementary. Member for Kam Lake.

I'll ask more if you let me.

Oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Timber Bay is a very traditional place for the community of Lutselk'e Dene First Nation. They have been using this area since time immemorial for hunting, trapping, fishing, wildlife; it's their way of life. And, you know, they've been doing it long before the Canadian Constitution ever existed. Same thing with treaties, the NWT Act 1967. And in September of this year, the camp was raided. If you could imagine the camp having elders, families, children, guests, up to about 80 people. And then all of a sudden the chopper comes into the community, wildlife officers come out with bullet proof vests, making demands on to the camp and everything else, is very concerning. So after that happened, I issued a press release asking for a public apology and also an investigation into the wildlife officers' conduct.

So, Mr. Speaker, yesterday the court made a decision to quash the permit -- search permit for going into the camp. So my question is to the Minister of Wildlife and Natural Resources, can the Minister apologize sincerely to the Lutselk'e Dene First Nation for the unlawful activities of his officers and the trauma it has caused for the community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and again I thank the Member. He's been very active on this file, and I appreciate his work for it.

Mr. Speaker, as I said in my Minister's statement, the officers landed, they waited for an hour and a half -- an hour and 20 minutes before they could actually get in to do the work. They offered the opportunity to go directly to the source where it was, and it was denied. So, Mr. Speaker, I've reached out to the chief and asked to arrange a face-to-face meeting to discuss how we can continue to work on our collaborative efforts to work together to support the caribou. As I said in my Minister's statement, the herd used to be 470,000 where now it's 6,200, and that is a huge issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So basically the Minister's refusing to apologize to the people in Lutselk'e and -- Lutselk'e Dene First Nation for their unlawful raid into the community, so. I'm shocked, I mean, I -- I don't know what to say. This is something that's -- I expect from the Minister to apologize, and I'm kind of want to hear it here today. And if not, then I have other questions. Thank you

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it hasn't been proven it was unlawful. We were given a tip. There was two illegal hunts in the mobile zone. There was caribou wastage. There was carcasses left behind. There was impact that was 6,200 caribou minus. To put it in perspective, last year on the winter road we had illegal harvests. That was just almost half in those two hunts. So I'm more than willing to work, reach out and have those conversations with the chief, and I offered to go right into the community to have these conversations. I'm willing to work together on this. But again, it's interesting that -- do you want to look after the caribou? Do you want to get rid of them? Do you want them to disappear? We have the opportunity to go into the Beverly herd, and so we're willing to do this. We're willing to have those conversations. And it's hard. And I understand the importance of caribou for Indigenous people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I mean, the courts were very clear yesterday, that in Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories, that this permit was quashed so therefore, I mean, there's no evidence, no proof, showing that there was any caribou wastage. So I'm still -- I'm going to ask for an apology here, and I'm not hearing it from the Minister so I'm going to ask again.

Is he sincerely going to apologize to the community of Lutselk'e for this raid? Thank you

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I've already said it once, I'll say it again. I actually said it twice. I'm more than willing to meet with the chief and the First Nation in the community of Lutselk'e to have that conversation on how we can do the recovery on that. That's what I made my commitment to. There is an investigation still going on, and I don't know what's going on with that. So I'm more than willing to work on how we can support the recovery of the caribou. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Final supplementary. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.