This is page numbers 3411 - 3440 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was budget.

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Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Member. I appreciate this question because it has been -- we did, you know, have a grand opening last year but once that we did receive the reports for the project, we did end up with some issues in completing the project that were identified by the office of the fire marshal. And one of the key issues was the fire separation. And right now, the corporation is addressing those issues, and we are now underway with the remediation work.

The work will involve electrical, structural, architectural, and mechanical repairs. The electrical contractor is scheduled to travel into Fort Good Hope, and this scheduled travel was for November 8th. And also the structural engineer is scheduled to travel -- was scheduled to travel as well too, November 8th. A mechanical review is underway by the private engineers and are in an architectural firm for these remaining components. The Housing Corporation is pressing the contractor for a completed remediation plan to confirm the expected occupancy date as soon as possible. And once those reports are received, it would be able to announce an opening date.

Sorry for the longwinded answer as well, too, but there's just a lot of issues that were identified once the project was completed, and we are working very closely with the contractor at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to just try and understand how this happened. You know, we cut the ribbon on the building. We completely thought it was complete and open. And then after the inspector, it turns out the contractor, that there was electrical problems, structural problems, fire break problems. Can the Minister just highlight what happened here? How did we build a building with this many aspects of the code that were not compliant and not catch them until an inspection? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I just, you know, really thank the Member for these questions as well because it was sooner, like I was able to receive a briefing on this project and we had actually put this out for tender in two components. So once the project was completed, the deficiencies were identified. And it's unfortunate, and you know, I'm hoping to have that complex opened this year. We did have a commitment last year of March 2022. So I will follow up with the Member and let him know if we're still going to be having that building opened this year. But also the other thing that we ran into complications with as well was COVID, the restrictions, and also finding contractors to get in and being able to repair and address those specific issues for the opening of the complex and the occupancy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm hoping the Minister can explain what the costs are here. You know, we thought this building was complete, and I assume there is some sort of -- there was new tenders for different contractors to come in and remedy this. It's been closed for a year. I don't know how much of this falls on GNWT or some poor contractor. Can the Minister just give us a sense of how much this delay has cost the GNWT? Thank you.

Paulie Chinna

Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have those numbers with me at this time. I will follow up with the Member as well. But the corporation is working very strategically to try to minimize those costs as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary. Oral questions. Member for Monfwi.

Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Thank you. Okay, before I begin, I would like to -- for the record, I would like to say that three of four Tlicho communities - Behchoko, Whati and Wekweeti - are underfunded. They are underfunded communities, so I just wanted to say that for the record.

So Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Minister referred to an agreement in 2007. It is now year 2022, and we have a community without access to clean water as identified in United Nation Declaration on Human Rights. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister focus on what can be done now, not on what was done in the past? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Monfwi. Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we're already focusing on the future and the present. We are working with the municipal government on this very issue. So the Member, I've given her emails showing what was going on. Yesterday I provided an update that was very current as of yesterday morning, that they met with the community and were working on trying to address that issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Thank you. Well, I don't think -- I did not receive the email that he is referring to. And I know that I keep checking my email. I didn't get anything from him. But I keep getting email from his assistant. So if he sent that email yesterday, I would like to see it today, if he can resend it.

Mr. Speaker, does the formula for funding received by the community government, especially in Behchoko into consideration that there are two distinct geographic communities? Each community has its own water plants, sewer facilities, water, and sewer distribution centre systems, fire halls, fire fighting mobile equipment, and recreation facilities. Thank you.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you. So the Member should be aware that my EAC is sending out emails that I get, and I send it to the Member right away. Whether we get them from the community, who are asking questions and that, when I send this stuff out there, the latest one was an issue about freeze up. We get that sent to the Member right away so she is aware of what's going on.

As for the formula, yes, it encompasses everything. Again, when we talk about the municipal funding formula, it was developed with NWTAC for the betterment of the territories, the 33 communities. So it's a formula that's used, and it counts all those things that the Member's talked about.

Just so the Member's aware, we are looking at those funding policies, and we're trying to fix them presently. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Okay, well, I would like to see the email again. But what I would like for the Minister to do is that to meet with me and the community leaders to discuss these important issues.

So another question is that, Mr. Speaker, I know that we are coming to a fiscal year end, okay. So there may be some operational budgets that have not been fully spent. Can the Minister commit to work with the Department of Finance to identify where there is any unused funding across the entire GNWT and redirect these unused funds for a one-time payment to the community, especially those -- just like Behchoko for damage repair. Thank you.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I've already met with the TG government, and we're more than willing -- just recently, with Cabinet, and I'm more than willing to meet with them. Our staff are meeting with the TG governments as we move forward.

In regards to surpluses and that from the Government of the Northwest Territories, we don't have surpluses. We don't. We're $1.5 billion in debt. We have a budget that we're using. So there is no surplus out there. If there was, we have 33 communities with 33 issues that each community has that we need to move forward on. So I can't promise the Member that there. There's no surplus, and there's no money available. And if there was a surplus, we have to compete against needs of the Northwest Territories, just not one community. It's departments; it's other communities as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Monfwi.

Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Jane Weyallon Armstrong Monfwi

Well, we just did the Finance budget today. So Mr. Speaker, with reference to the 2014 study that identified the shortfall in funding many community governments, will the Minister agree to update the 2014 study to identify the current shortfall in funding for NWT community government and commit to correct the inequalities in a timely manner? Thank you.

Shane Thompson

Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding of the 2014 report that the Member's talking about was jointly done with NWTAC. We're more than willing to work with them to go on there.

As for the inadequacies that the Member talks about, it's a budget process. We need to compete with other priorities for the Government of the Northwest Territories. The Member from Yellowknife North talked about $20 million for housing. Bam, let's give me $20 million for housing. Well, how do we take that compared to other issues? Housing is a priority. We've heard it in this House. But we have other priorities and other commitments that this government needs to be recognizing. I'm more than willing to work with committee and work with the government, Cabinet, and our colleagues from AOC to come up with a process. I need to stress that it was a priority of the NWT of our moving forward. We had $25 million for initiating initiatives for the four years. $5 million is going to the municipal funding gap. We are also working from lands and doing some work on that as well to help municipal governments move forward. So we're trying, using all the tools in our toolbox, to help shrink this funding gap. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my first set of questions, if I can get in a second set, is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. I'd like to start off by thanking the Minister, staff, Stanton, and especially OBS staff for working hard to get labour and delivery open and running again at full service. So thank you for that.

My first question, though, is some people are already in Edmonton waiting to deliver, and they'd like the opportunity to come home and deliver in their home territory of the Northwest Territories. So how can people, or can they come home from Edmonton? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister responsible for Health and Social Services.

Julie Green

Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I appreciate the question. The thing that the families who are now in Edmonton should do is talk to their health care provider in Edmonton about the possibility of travelling back to Yellowknife in order to give birth at Stanton, and that health care provider can evaluate the stage of their pregnancy, potential complications and so on, and give them an answer. Thank you.

Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much for that, Mr. Speaker. I'm sure health care providers in Edmonton will be getting a lot of phone calls so people can come home. Can I go back on your list, please?

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you. Take that as a comment. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Question 913-19(2): School Funding
Oral Questions

February 22nd, 2022

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Caitlin Cleveland

Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my second set of questions are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment.

Mr. Speaker, schools have struggled with staggered and delayed enrolment for the 2020 and 2021 school year as well as the 2021 and 2022 school years. A lot of parents didn't send their kids back to school right away. They held the kids at home if they were able to, just to see what the pandemic was going to do and to reevaluate how families wanted to reintegrate their kids back to school. Schools, unfortunately, have a cutoff for funding enrolment for September 30th, and a lot of kids, because of school closures, went back into the school setting following the September 30th cutoff date. As such, schools have found that their funding has been quite a lot less compared to the 2019-2020 school year. So will the Minister base school funding on 2019 enrolment numbers for 2020-2021, and 2021-2022 school years to provide increased funding stability to Northwest Territories schools? Thank you.

The Speaker

The Speaker Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment.

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to make that commitment. But, fortunately, there are mechanisms in place where schools are in situations where they have extraordinary enrolment compared to what they are funded for. And the school, if it meets certain criteria, if there's a certain increase in their student population, they can apply to ECE to receive additional funding to cover that, recognizing that there are extraordinary circumstances. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.