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Tabled Document 657-19(2): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastruture Expenditures), No. 1, 2022-2023
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June 2nd, 2022

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Committee, we've agreed to consider Tabled Document 657-19(2), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2022-2023. Does the Minister of Finance have any opening remarks?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I am here to present Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2022-2023. This supplementary estimates document proposes a total increase of $83.6 million, comprised of the following items:

·$64.7 million for infrastructure expenditures funding for projects that were not completed in 2021-2022. This amount is fully offset by lapses in appropriations in 2021-2022;

  • $9.9 million to support priority health information systems. This amount is fully offset by revenues received from the federal government and other funding partners;
  • $5.3 million to support the Redknife River Bridge replacement project;
    • $2.3 million to support increased costs related to the Hay River Fish Processing Plant; and.
  • $1.3 million to support the acquisition and setup of a new child and family services program space in Fort Smith and Fort Providence. This funding is offset by a reduction in operations expenditures.

That concludes my opening remarks, Madam Chair. I would be happy to answer any questions Members may have.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. I'll now open the floor to general comments. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I heard the Minister of Finance say that quite a bit of the carryover was offset by the total amount lapsed. Can I just get how much money this sup is lapsing? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister responsible for Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, it should be $64,740,000 I believe, Madam Chair. Let me just confirm that -- or actually, I'll just ask the deputy minister if he has the page open in front of him.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Deputy minister MacKay.

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Mackay

Thank you, Madam Chair. Lapsed appropriations for 2021-2022 are $11,107,000.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Okay, I have a different number of what the total lapsed is. And so perhaps I can just get someone to help me understand why you can come to different numbers of what the lapsed funding is and perhaps a bit of an explanation of carryover funding. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. We have the right page out now but let me, if I may, I'll ask Mr. Courtoreille to answer it, since he has that page.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Courtoreille.

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Courtoreille

Thank you, Madam Chair. So the total amount of lapsed funding is broken down into two components.

Under the tangible capital asset category, there's approximately $115 million which is being lapsed. And then under infrastructure contributions and deferred maintenance, the previous number quoted by the deputy of $11,107,000. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. So I'm just going to say $125 million. About $125 million in lapsed funding which, my understanding, carryovers mean, you know, if something got delayed and we just have put it into the next -- another fiscal year, a future fiscal year, but we're still planning this spending whereas a lapse means it's no longer approved by the Cabinet or the legislature and so it may never come back, or it would have to rego through the process.

One of the problems I have is that when you look at what's actually tabled, it's not really clear and you're not really able to figure out when something's lapsing because if it's lapsing, you're not reasking the legislature. It just kind of disappears. So it's not clear by the tabled documents to figure out what exactly is lapsing. So I was hoping the Minister could give us a bit of a rundown of what makes up that $125 million that we are no longer spending on capital. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. So if I'm understanding correctly, just the idea of trying to show the lapsing rather than showing only the carryovers and in a different manner, or. I'm not entirely sure, Madam Chair, I apologize as to how to solve this problem for the Member.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson

Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess I'm just hoping the Minister can tell me what is lapsing.

I note as we go through department by department, lapsed money doesn't really show up so I can't ask what's lapsing there individually. You know, it kind of just disappears. If we could have a breakdown of what's lapsing, thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, may I direct that to Mr. Courtoreille, please.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Courtoreille.

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Courtoreille

Thank you, Madam Chair. So in the briefing material provided to Members, there is a series of tables, which was broken out by project and by department. And in those tables, Members will see a difference between the free balance that's left over in a project and the amount that is being recommended for carryover. The difference between those two columns would be the amount lapsed by project. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.