There is a new government in BC, an NDP government. Will the Government of the Northwest Territories approach the new government in BC to see if some sort of arrangement could be made with them with regard to the destruction of the natural environment just up the river from Liard? I say this because there has been a lot more debris coming down the Liard, and the water in the springtime runs off rather than going into the ground, so there is the possibility of a lot of environmental dangers there. I do not know if there was any sort of agreement made with the Government of BC. Mahsi cho.

I do not know if it is a supplementary, but it has to do with forests, and it is directed to the Government Leader. As I mentioned earlier, there was a lot of clear-cutting right on the BC border which is only eight minutes' flying time from Fort Liard. Had there been any prior arrangements with the BC government when they gave the permits to clear-cut just up the river from Liard, in the traditional areas of the Dene people of Liard? Mahsi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question I am going to raise is regarding my Member's statement with regard to the forest in Liard Valley. The community of Fort Liard has set up a forest resource committee to try to develop a forest resource plan. I have already talked with Dwight Noseworthy about this. Hopefully we are going to go into Liard in January.

I know that Renewable Resources and Economic Development both have interest in the forest. But will the Ministers work with the community to help them develop a forest resource plan, since the government has stated that the direction of the government is for more community control? The community has strongly indicated to me that they would like to be very much involved in the development of that resource. Mahsi.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about a serious concern that has to do with a number of different issues rolled into one. This is regarding the forest in the Liard Valley. Recently the Liard Valley has been viewed as potentially developing renewable resources, hopefully for sustainable economic development. A couple of weeks ago, when I was touring in that area, I was in Nahanni Butte and the plane from Deh Cho Air picked me up and flew me over Fort Liard. Eight minutes over Fort Liard is the British Columbia border, and the Yukon border kind of veers into there too. So we have the BC border very close to Fort Liard. The pilot wanted to fly me in there to show me what the BC side looks like.

What I saw was very shocking because what they are doing on the BC side is, they are clear-cutting. They have a big sawmill in Fort Nelson, and they take the spruce for lumber. Then there is a chopstick factory there, as well, that takes the birch and the poplar. So they are going into an area and cutting everything down. There are big clear spots all over that valley.

It is really concerning the people in Fort Liard and Nahanni Butte. If any development of the forest happens, they do not want to see this development happen in their area. I raise this today because I feel it is very crucial and I do not know if the Government of the NWT has any prior arrangement with BC, especially on the environmental impacts of such -- I call it -- destruction of the natural environment. Mahsi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know what Sam is talking about. I have been to Kakisa a few times and I feel they require such a building for a community centre. Mahsi.

I give notice that on Friday, December 13, I shall move the following motion: I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Deh Cho, that this Legislative Assembly recommends that the Minister of Education include an adult education centre for the Hay River Reserve when developing the department's five-year capital plan. Mahsi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that Sam is only allowed to do two motions, which kind of illustrates my concern in my Member's statement about the process. I am doing this one for him.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to know from the Government Leader if there is going to be any attempt to work more closely with the communities that are governed by chiefs and band councils with regard to providing them with the types of services that are provided to communities that are in the MACA system. Mahsi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I would like to thank the Government Leader for answering my earlier question on working out some of the problems with the Ministers, but there is one area that has been a concern to me, and it has to do with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. The communities in my region of Jean Marie River, Nahanni Butte, Trout Lake and Wrigley are governed by chiefs and band councils, and they are not under the MACA system. I feel that these communities are being penalized and kind of bribed by MACA to go onto the MACA system. I say that because they have very old equipment, like 1972 type equipment, that is broken down most of the time and being constantly repaired. They have no roads in Trout Lake or Nahanni Butte, and in Wrigley as well there were attempts by MACA to try to get them into the MACA system.

I want to ask the Minister if it is the practice of this government to penalize communities because they are governed by chiefs and band councils. Mahsi.