This is page numbers 181 - 210 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was social.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Last supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, since he indicated that he expects this committee to begin its work in January, I would like to know if he has considered any individual for the chairmanship, recognizing he said he is still looking for someone. I would like to know if there has been an individual that he is considering.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister responsible for Safety and Public Services.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, one name has been put forward to me, but I am also awaiting other suggestions.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of Social Services with regard to custom adoption. The Minister indicated that custom adoption is happening every day in the NWT. Am I correct in assuming that automatically this government recognizes custom adoption if it takes place?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I do not think that is the direct answer I can give. As I spoke to Members as they were questioning me about this, the custom adoption principle -- I think custom adoption is recognized by the territorial government, as a government. It is recognized by a lot of people. But I think what I addressed was the paper trail that is required after custom adoption occurs. I do not think there is any concern with the fact custom adoption happens. There are concerns that deal with the legalities of any kind of adoption. There is a registration of individuals that is required. I am certainly familiar with custom adoptions, and I was addressing in the return what I had thought the question had been and it dealt with whether or not there was enough time by the people to help process the paperwork. My answer is that the social workers or the court workers that deal with that do as much as they can while they can. It is not an easy thing to do, it is relatively complicated, and I was addressing that portion of it, not the principle of custom adoption, which is, I think, accepted.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary is that presently I know of several cases where custom adoptions did take place but were never accepted by the Department of Social Services. It is on the basis of the Department of Social Services that the courts accept whether or not a custom adoption will be recognized. Am I correct in assuming that although it is principally recognized, that the department screens whether a custom adoption would be recognized or whether it should go through the court system?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker, naturally the Department of Social Services is concerned with any adoption that takes place in order to ensure the safety of the children and the safety, in fact, of the adopting parents to see that this is a suitable home for any adopted baby or child. It is not as simple as it used to be when, in the old days, one parent would trust another member of the family to look after the children. We live in a more complicated society today under different conditions than in the old days, and I think the department is, and will continue to be, concerned with any adoption. We are not interfering, the department is not interfering with the adoption process, but ensuring that all things are done with the safety of the child and the welfare of the child in mind. I think we must maintain that. If it is called screening, then that is what it is called, but it is a method that I approve of.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Second supplementary, Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

If that is the response the Minister would like to give, then I would think that although custom adoption did take place, and it is happening every day as I will quote the Minister, it is not necessarily recognized, but it will be determined by the department as to whether or not that will be custom adoption, even though it did take place.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure what the question was. Can I ask the Member to repeat it?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan, perhaps you can explain the question.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, what I am suggesting is that custom adoption is happening right now and it is recognized in principle by this government. However, the difficulty is that custom adoption could have taken place and through the process itself the adopting parents could very well be disqualified. If for some reason the department determines that they are not suitable parents then custom adoption does not take place, period. Is that what I am hearing the Minister saying, although custom adoption did take place, if the adopting parents do not qualify for some reason under Social Services criteria, then the custom adoption does not take place?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

I am not sure whether or not custom adoption does apply in those situations as the Member is describing, but I do not think that it is automatic simply because a parent decides to give the child to some other persons, that it is automatically custom adoption and will be adopted by the department or this government. I think that we a have a legal responsibility and a moral responsibility to ensure that some consideration is given to the child. I cannot

recall in my short time as the Minister any incidents where we have refused a custom adoption, but I think there is a legal process that does take place regardless of whether this is a custom adoption or not. I think there has to be that in order to properly document where children are eventually housed. There are some legalities that must take place, and that is not to say that we do not recognize custom adoption. I believe that we do have a responsibility to ensure that the home is a safe home and that it is a good home for children under the criteria that we use.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Your last supplementary, Mr. Gargan.

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

I would think the role of the Department of Social Services is in the event that a child is being neglected, then they step in, but any girl or woman that wants to have her child adopted by a relative, a sister, brother or grandparents, realizes that the adopting parents are going to give the best care to these children. I do not know what the difficulty is. I would think the department would accept that the adoption took place and assist the individual through the legal process in order to have the child recognized by the new adopting parents. Other than that, does the department also screen to see how much the adopting parents are making, whether they are suitable parents, or whether they are too old to be adopting children? What would the criteria be for not recognizing custom adoption?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

I am not sure, and I cannot be specific, as to the circumstances that may prevail that would prevent a custom adoption from taking place, but I think it is imperative that the department continue to monitor custom adoptions. I think that there are situations where, for the public good, something must be said of the adopting circumstances. As far as assisting, I think the workers do assist wherever they are asked to help through the necessary legal portions of it. But as far as stopping a custom adoption under extreme conditions I think that a worker would be well advised to continue that. But under normal circumstances they do not interfere.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Todd.