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Question 155-12(3): Question Taken As Notice
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi, I am sorry, have you actually specifically said that you took it as notice?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I tried to explain in my last response the reasons why the Member is getting frustrated here. In response to an earlier question, regarding legal aid, I have taken that question as notice. The Member is continuing to rephrase the same question about the same subject. That is why I took the time to elaborate in my last response, to say in a long clear way that I am taking it as notice. He did not understand it the first time, maybe he understood it the second time, but this is the last time. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The Minister is taking the question as notice. For the clarification of the House, when the Minister took the first question as notice, the supplementary question, I felt, posed a different approach and as such I thought that it was fair, and that the subsequent question was also fair. The Minister answered one and took another one as notice. Concerning the last question, where I had some difficulty with

the exchange, the Minister is well within his rights to take a question as notice, but a Member is well within his rights if he can find a different avenue to pursue. That too is within the rules. Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Ningark.

Question 156-12(3): Regional Representation On N.W.T. Power Corporation Board
Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the N.W.T. Power Corporation, but it is different from the original question. What is the level of regional representation on your board? Where are the Members from? Thank you.

Question 156-12(3): Regional Representation On N.W.T. Power Corporation Board
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will provide that information to the Member. I do not have the exact locations and communities in my head. I know it is in this book here, and I will pass it on to him. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The Member did not take that question as notice. Item 5, Oral Questions. Item 6, Written Questions. Item 7, Returns to Written Questions. Item 8, Replies to Opening Address. Item 9, Petitions. Item 10, Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Mr. Kakfwi.

Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take the opportunity to present the report of the Special Committee on Constitutional Reform.

Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Proceed please, Mr. Kakfwi.

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on October 26, 1992, the majority of residents of the Northwest Territories voted "yes" in the national referendum on constitutional reform.

However, the majority of residents in six provinces voted against the constitutional reform proposed by the Charlottetown Accord. This "no" vote registered by the majority of Canadians brought to an end the latest round of constitutional negotiations, which had been launched on March 12, 1992, and the meeting between federal, provincial, territorial and aboriginal representatives.

The Charlottetown Accord had proposed the most extensive package of amendments to the Constitution of Canada since 1867. As a result of the October 26 national referendum, none of these proposed constitutional amendments will be acted upon at this time.

In the report of the special committee, tabled April 1, 1992, as Committee Report 9-12(2), the committee recommended that five major issues should be closely monitored in the current round of multi-lateral consultations. The five areas of particular importance were; one, territorial participation in public and private meetings and conferences on constitutional, economic and aboriginal matters; two, constitutional recognition of an inherent right to aboriginal self-government; three, the effects of the constitutional amending formula on future political and constitutional development of the Northwest Territories; four, the implications to the territories of the Canadian Economic Union proposals and the mechanisms for decentralization of the federation and; five, the constitutional amendments relating to national institutions, such as the Senate and the Supreme Court of Canada.

The multi-lateral negotiations that began in March 1992, involved first Ministers and aboriginal leaders in a process unique for its scope, complexity and duration. In the case of the Northwest Territories the special committee Members made up the principle advisory body and were present during key negotiation sessions. The negotiations of the accommodation were probably the most inclusive process of constitutional consultations in Canadian history, which had spanned the two years following the failure of the Meech Lake Accord in June 1990.

Numerous federal, provincial, territorial and aboriginal processes canvassed a wide range of public opinion during this two-year period. It remains to be seen whether future talks on the constitution or in the intergovernmental area will continue the multi-lateral approach which included territorial and aboriginal leaders in all levels of discussions.

With regard to the review of the Northwest Territories' achievements, the principles and objectives which the government of the Northwest Territories pursues, in negotiations, in relation to the above five matters, were recommended by the special committee in the committee's report of April 1 and were approved by the Assembly. These principles and objectives were achieved to a high degree during the negotiations. The content of the best efforts legal text and political accord released on October 12 confirm this. The referendum results in the Northwest Territories where voters supported the Charlottetown package by an impressive 61 per cent, provide a strong mandate for our Legislative Assembly and government to continue pursuing the gains we made during the current round of talks.

Northern objectives which were achieved in the package, and which I believe should be pursued include the commitments to territorial participation and all future first Minister's meetings and constitutional conferences; and the recognition of the inherent right to self-government in the territories through constitutional amendment or through claims, treaties or other mechanisms. Further, other aspects of the Charlottetown package which should be pursued include minimizing or eliminating wherever possible the negative effects on northern political and constitutional development arising from the current amending formula for creating new provinces and protecting the territories from negative impacts of the future decentralization of the federation and from a tax of northern preference and economic development initiatives.

With regard to the referendum process, the Members of the special committee conducted an extensive public education campaign to explain to the territorial residents the content and meaning of the Charlottetown Accord, which included personal appearances in many communities as well as publications such as "A Northern Agenda, the referendum in the Northwest Territories", which was widely circulated through the print media.

The national referendum results are susceptible to a wide range of interpretation. The Northwest Territories was one of only four jurisdictions that returned a "yes" vote in the referendum. Some of the "no" results no doubt represent a lack of support for the contents of all or part of the constitutional package. In some cases it may reflect the lack of support for any constitutional change at this time, given the concerns of Canadians for the economy. In other cases the "no" vote may not relate directly to constitutional issues. Appendices a, b, and c contain the referendum results by province and territory, within the Northwest Territories and for aboriginal peoples across Canada.

Conclusions and recommendations in the five areas of importance to the Northwest Territories identified in part one of this report form the basis for the positions taken during this round of constitutional negotiations, and some of the principles and objectives will no doubt continue to be important. However, governments and aboriginal organizations are still discussing where to go from here. Canadians have expressed concern for the economy, and this will likely be the focus of most governments in the near future. Resumption of constitutional talks are unlikely in the short term.

The Government of the Northwest Territories and the Legislative Assembly have a direct interest in the reform of the national constitution as it relates to the rights of aboriginal and non- aboriginal residence and the territories' role and status within Canadian confederation. With the failure of the Charlottetown Accord, other avenues for achieving territorial objectives in these areas need to be explored. The committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories undertake a review and an assessment of the Northwest Territories' national constitutional priorities and objectives. A medium and a long-term strategy should be developed to achieve them.

The fundamental element in the intergovernmental affairs in the constitutional process is territorial participation. The territories must continue to build bridges with other jurisdictions and contribute to national affairs through the existing governmental forums. The current round of constitutional talks has demonstrated that the Northwest Territories can make positive contributions in national affairs and that its representatives bring a unique perspective to the table.

The committee recommends that the Government of the Northwest Territories take any necessary action to preserve and enhance its role and status in intergovernmental affairs in relation to the constitution, national institution reform, and the economy in particular. The Charlottetown Accord was a carefully balanced series of compromises which contained economic and fiscal implications for all governments. In many cases the commitments contained in the accord required cooperation from all levels of government in order to be implemented. The context has now changed. Aspects of the Charlottetown Accord, such as the inherent right of aboriginal self-government will have to be realized through new approaches following close consultations with aboriginal peoples. Parliament has constitutional authority to recognize in the territories the inherent right to self-government for aboriginal peoples. Most of the Charlottetown Accord provisions on self-government could be implemented through a constitutional amendment by Parliament acting alone in relation to the territories. Financial and other matters respecting the implementation of the right contained in proposed political accords adopted at Charlottetown could similarly be accepted by the federal government for the territories.

The federal government has the authority to recognize and implement the inherent right to self-government as part of the land claims process, in a parallel process, or through renewal of the existing Treaties 8 and 11, in recognition of the right and elaboration of the process. Some elaboration of the process of implementation could be achieved through constitutional amendment within the context of the existing section 35 of the Constitutional Act of 1982.

Financial and resource commitments could be enshrined in the legally enforceable agreement or through a political accord. A number of governments, including the federal government, will be calling elections in the near future. Some aboriginal organizations will be reviewing their priorities and mandates.

The committee recommends that prior to pursuing either a constitutional or non-constitutional means of implementing any part or parts of the Charlottetown Accord, the Legislative Assembly and government should consider the strong mandate given in the northern referendum results for the priorities and means of achieving our objectives, bearing in mind the political, social, economic, and fiscal implications of this course of action.

The special committee would like to thank the many people who worked tirelessly through this process and the families of these people, who also gave up many hours without them around. The Members of the special committee dedicated many long days to this process, and without this team approach and the support of the Legislative Assembly, we could not have achieved the success we did. With the presentation of this final report, the special committee is of the opinion that we have to the best of our abilities completed our work according to the mandate given by the Legislative Assembly. The work of the special committee at this time is complete but, as indicated in our recommendations, there will be a need to monitor and participate in the years ahead as there are still a lot of important areas to be addressed. Mr. Speaker, that concludes the final report of the Special Committee on Constitutional Reform.

Motion That Committee Report 3-12(3), Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform Be Accepted And Moved To Committee Of The Whole

Therefore, I move seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre, that the Final Report of the Special Committee on Constitutional Reform be received by the Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole. Thank you.

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Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order. To the motion.

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. Seconder to the motion, Mr. Lewis.

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Brian Lewis Yellowknife Centre

In seconding the motion, Mr. Speaker, I would like to pay tribute to Mr. Kakfwi as the chairman of the committee, and the one who did all the work. I will speak very briefly, Mr. Speaker, because I think it is important that this particular report be given the attention it deserves. I believe there were two very important things that I read in this document which deserve to be acknowledged. One of them is the very important place which our government played in the development of the Triple E Senate concept. I think Mr. Kakfwi got in very early on this and helped it to gain momentum. He also played a major role in making sure that the issue of aboriginal rights was always at the forefront. In seconding the motion, I would like to make that tribute. Thank you.

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Can I ask Members to stay within the confines of the motion> To the motion.

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Committee Report 3-12(3): Final Report Of The Special Committee On Constitutional Reform
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

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Committee Report 3-12(3) will be placed in the Committee of the Whole today. Item 10, Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Item 11, Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills. Item 12, Tabling of Documents. Mr. Pollard.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document, Tabled Document 21-12(3), draft Payroll Tax Act. Thank you.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Tabling of Documents. Mr. Antoine.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a document, Tabled Document 22-12(3) entitled "Justice in Deh Cho, 1992, Forum on Justice and Legal Issues, Recommendations". Thank you.

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, Tabling of Documents. Item 13, Notices of Motion. Mr. Nerysoo.

Item 13: Notices Of Motion
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two notices of motion. With the indulgence of the House I would like to give notice of both motions.

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Thursday, December 3, 1992 I will move the following motion:

Motion 4-12(3), Tabled Document 21-12(3) Draft Payroll Tax Act To Standing Committee On Finance

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik, that Tabled Document 21-12(3) "A Draft Payroll Tax Act", be referred to the Standing Committee on Finance for examination and reporting thereon. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be seeking unanimous consent to proceed with this motion today.

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Thursday, December 3, 1992 I will move the following motion:

Motion 5-12(3): Appreciation To The Honourable Jim Bourque, P.c.
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Now therefore I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha, that the Legislative Assembly express its heartfelt appreciation on behalf of all of the people of the Northwest Territories, and further express its wish for continued good health and happiness to Jim Bourque and his family. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be seeking unanimous consent to proceed with this motion today.

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Motion 5-12(3): Appreciation To The Honourable Jim Bourque, P.c.
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo. Item 13, Notices of Motion. Mr. Gargan.

Motion 6-12(3): Appearance Of Languages Commissioner Before Committee Of The Whole
Item 13: Notices Of Motion

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Thursday, December 3, 1992 I will move the following motion: I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Natilikmiot that the Languages Commissioner appear as a witness before the Committee of the Whole during the third session. Thank you.