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Question W3-12(2): Community Visitation By WCB Officials
Item 6: Written Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Written questions. Written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. Speaker, a return to Question W2-12(2), asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell to the Minister of Renewable Resources concerning the status of the NWT/Alberta interim water quality accord.

Return To Question W2-12(2): Status Of Nwt/alberta Interim Water Quality Accord
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

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Clerk Of The House

Hon. John Ningark's return to Question W2-12(2), asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on February 14, 1992:

a) Negotiations on the draft interim water quality accord were completed on October 10, 1991. The document was then sent out by both jurisdictions for public consultation.

b) The Government of the Northwest Territories distributed the draft accord to the NWT coalition against pulp mill pollution on October 28, 1991, for review and comment. Subsequently, the Government of the Northwest Territories funded a two-day workshop in Yellowknife on November 20 and 21, in order for coalition members to meet with the GNWT's negotiators. The coalition circulated the accord among their representative organizations and submitted comments to the Minister of Renewable Resources. Since the NWT coalition against pulp mill pollution represents community, aboriginal and non-government organizations, it was felt that no further consultation was required.

c) An initial meeting, prior to formal negotiations on the interim accord, was held February 12, 1991, in Edmonton. Dennis Patterson, the then Government Leader; and Stephen Kakfwi, Deputy Government Leader; met with Mr. Grant Horsman, Deputy Premier and Minister of Federal Intergovernmental Affairs, Mr. Ralph Klein, Minister of Environment; and Mr. Rick Orman, Minister of Energy. Several officials from both governments were also present. In addition to the initial meeting, several letters of correspondence were transmitted prior to formal negotiations.

d) Three formal negotiation sessions were held during 1991: i) June 21, 1991 in Edmonton. In attendance were: B. Mcleod, Renewable Resources, GNWT; B. Overvold, Executive, GNWT; S. Lewis, Renewable Resources, GNWT; J. Donihee, Justice, GNWT; B. Oppen, Federal Intergovernmental Affairs, Alberta; T. Cottrell, Federal Intergovernmental Affairs, Alberta; P. Melynchuk, Environment, Alberta; A. Lamb, Environment, Alberta.

ii) July 21, 1991 in Yellowknife. In attendance were: B. McLeod, Renewable Resources, GNWT; B. Overvold, Executive, GNWT; S. Lewis, Renewable Resources, GNWT; A. Ferguson, Justice, GNWT; B. Oppen, Federal Intergovernmental Affairs, Alberta; P. Melynchuk, Environment, Alberta; A. Lamb, Environment, Alberta.

iii) October 10, 1991, in Edmonton. In attendance were: B. McLeod, Renewable Resources, GNWT; B. Overvold, Executive, GNWT; S. Lewis, Renewable Resources, GNWT; B. Oppen, Federal Intergovernmental Affairs, Alberta; P. Melynchuk, Environment, Alberta; P. Lamb, Environment, Alberta.

No negotiation sessions were held in 1992.

Return To Question W2-12(2): Status Of Nwt/alberta Interim Water Quality Accord
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 8, replies to Opening Address. Replies to Opening Address.

Item 9, petitions. Petitions. Item 10, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Zoe.

Committee Report 1-12(2): Report Of The Standing Committee On Rules, Procedures And Privileges
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The standing committee on rules, procedures and privileges has the responsibility to review the Rules of the Legislative Assembly on matters brought to its attention by Members.

During our first meeting, the committee agreed to undertake a comprehensive review of the current Rules of the Legislative Assembly. A comprehensive review of the rules has not taken place since the 10th Assembly. It is the opinion of the committee that such a review is necessary to ensure that the current rules allow Members to best perform their parliamentary duties in a consensus system. Some Members have also expressed the view that the rules could better reflect the cultural tradition of the many peoples that it serves.

The committee will be consulting with all Members to solicit their views and recommendations to improve the current rules of the Legislative Assembly. The committee has already received communication from the chairperson of the ordinary Members' caucus asking the committee to review the time allotment for Members' statements. We will be reporting on this review and any recommended changes to the rules in due course.

This report of the committee deals specifically with a matter referred to it by the Legislative Assembly. During the first session the standing committee on legislation's report on a review of the legislative process for the 12th Legislative Assembly was adopted by the House and referred to the standing committee on rules, procedures and privileges. The committee was asked to prepare the necessary amendments to the rules needed to implement the new legislative process.

Rule Changes To Implement The New Legislative Process

The report of the standing committee on legislation recommended sweeping changes to the way legislation is reviewed by committees of the Assembly. After examining the process recommended by that committee and adopted by the House, our committee had some difficulty with the process as proposed. While we have based our recommendations for amendments to the rules primarily on a process recommended by the standing committee on legislation, we are recommending three further changes to allow this process to function better in our consensus system. The committee recognizes that our recommendations represent some changes to the process as proposed by the standing committee on legislation, however, we are of the opinion that these proposals conform to principles 2 and 9 of that report. The three changes to the proposed process that we recommend are:

1) Chairman's Liaison Committee

The standing committee on legislation had recommended that bills receiving second reading be ordered to the committee's liaison committee for referral to the appropriate standing or special committee. The chairman's liaison committee would be made up of chairmen of all standing committees and chaired by the Deputy Speaker.

The committee was of an opinion that as this is simply a co-ordinating committee that decides which committee should review bills, there is no need to recognize it in the rules. The Office of the Clerk can develop procedures whereby this committee can meet during session to delegate the review of legislation to the appropriate committee.

2) Amending Bills In Committee

The standing committee on legislations report also recommended that "bills may be amended by a motion passed by Members of the standing committee" that is reviewing the bill. This may be done without the consent of the sponsor of the bill. The bill, as amended, would be then received by the Legislative Assembly on the report of the committee and moved into committee of the whole for consideration.

Similar types of responsibilities are given to committees in other jurisdiction in Canada. However, all other jurisdictions operate on a party system and the party in power usually has the majority of Members on committees, perhaps with the exception of minority governments. It was pointed out that the proposed system allows for a committee to pass amendments that are directly opposed by the sponsor of the bill, whether it is a government public bill or a private Members' public bill. It would be the responsibility of the sponsor to propose a motion to rescind that amendment in committee of the whole. If such a motion did not pass the sponsor of the bill would be in the unenviable position of either proceeding with a bill that they find objectionable to some degree or allowing it to die on the order paper.

Another potential problem with the process discussed by the committee was the possibility that a few Members can change legislation. For example, there are seven Members on the standing committee on legislation; five Members constitute a quorum. Under these circumstances, it is possible for three Members of this committee to pass amendments, without the consent of the sponsor, that substantially alter a bill. The committee was of the opinion that decisions such as this should be made by the whole Assembly sitting in committee of the whole.

The committee was also informed that any amendments proposed in standing or special committees are subject to the same rules that exist for amendments in committee of the whole. Therefore, the committee recommends that a standing committee charged with reviewing a bill be given the power to amend bills with the consent of the sponsor of the bill. It is our opinion that this will occur in the vast majority of cases, and the committee would encourage Members to attempt to reach such a consensus.

However, if the committee has proposed amendments where a consensus cannot be reached with the sponsor of the bill they can then propose them in committee of the whole when that bill is under consideration. The whole House can then decide the matter.

3) Review Of Bills In Committee Of The Whole

The committee was concerned that a bill reported by a committee could be proceeded with in committee of the whole on the next sitting day. We were especially concerned that any Member wanting to propose amendments to the bill may have only one day to review the bill, draft amendments and have them translated. This seemed somewhat unreasonable. For this reason, we are proposing a two day lag between the time the bill is reported and when it can be proceeded with in committee of the whole.

Finally, it was apparent that there are numerous administrative and procedural changes that will occur when a significant change in process such as this is implemented. It is the opinion of the committee that the Office of the Clerk should be charged with developing the necessary procedures to ensure that the process functions as well as possible.

Recommendations

Therefore, the standing committee on rules, procedures and privileges recommends:

1) That Rule 20(3) be amended to include reports of committees on the review of bills as Item 11 in the daily routine of business in the Assembly and that items 11 to 16 be renumbered accordingly.

2) That Rule 65(2) and Rule 66 be deleted and the following substituted therefore: 65(2) Unless otherwise ordered by the Assembly, when a bill is read for the second time it stands ordered to the appropriate standing or special committee. 65(3) Not withstanding Rule 65(2), when a bill for the appropriation of any part of the public revenue of the Northwest Territories is read for the second time it stands ordered to the committee of the whole for consideration. 66(1) Unless otherwise ordered by the Assembly, bills referred to a committee shall not be proceeded with until the Assembly receives the report of the committee or 120 days pass from the day the bill has been given second reading. 66(2) All amendments made in committee must have the concurrence of the sponsor of the bill. 66(3) All amendments made in the committee shall be reported to the Assembly. Every bill reported from any committee, whether amended or not, shall be received by the Assembly and ordered into committee of the whole. 66(4) When amendments to a bill have been made in committee, the bill shall be reprinted as amended and introduced with the report of said committee. 66(5) Unless otherwise ordered by the Assembly, a bill reported by a committee shall not be taken into consideration until two sitting days have passed from that report. And further, that Rules 67(1), 67(2) and 68 be renumbered 68(1), 68(2) and 68(3) and new Rule 67 be added. 67(1) In proceedings in committee of the whole on bills, the preamble and title are first postponed, then every other clause is considered by the committee in its proper order, the preamble and the title to be last considered. 68(2) All amendments proposed to bills in committee of the whole must be written and translated and made available to the Assembly at the time the amendment is proposed.

3) That the Office of the Clerk develop the necessary administrative and procedural changes to implement the new legislative process.

4) That the adopted rule changes come into effect on the next sitting day of this Assembly.

Motion To Move Committee Report 1-12(2) To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

That concludes the first report on the standing committee on rules, procedures and privileges. Therefore, Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by my colleague for Inuvik, that the first report on the standing committee on rules, procedures and privileges be received and moved into committee of the whole for discussion today.

Committee Report 1-12(2): Report Of The Standing Committee On Rules, Procedures And Privileges
Item 10: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order. All those in favour? Opposed, if any? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Reports of standing and special committees. Item 11, tabling of documents. Mr. Clerk.

Item 11: Tabling Of Documents
Item 11: Tabling Of Documents

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Rule 57(1), I wish to table Tabled Document 7-12(2), the following response to petitions:

Petition 1-12(1) tabled by Mr. Arvaluk and responded to by the Minister of Justice; Petition 2-12(1) tabled by Mr. Zoe and responded to by the Minister of Transportation; Petition 3-12(1) tabled by Mr. Ningark and responded to by the Minister of Transportation.

Item 11: Tabling Of Documents
Item 11: Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Tabling of documents.

Item 12, notices of motions.

Item 13, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Mr. Patterson.

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 9: Insurance Act
Item 13: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to give notice that on Wednesday, February 19, 1992, I shall move that Bill 9, An Act to Amend the Insurance Act, be read for the first time. Thank you.

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 9: Insurance Act
Item 13: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Notices of motions for first reading of bills. Mr. Pollard.

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 13: Financial Administration Act
Item 13: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Wednesday, February 19, 1992, I shall move that Bill 13, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 13: Financial Administration Act
Item 13: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 15, first reading of bills. Mr. Allooloo.

First Reading Of Bill 1: Education Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill 1, An Act to Amend the Education Act, be read for the first time.

First Reading Of Bill 1: Education Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order. All those in favour of the motion? Opposed, if any? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 1 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Patterson.

First Reading Of Bill 2: Engineering, Geological And Geophysical Professions Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South, that Bill 2, An Act to Amend the Engineering, Geological and Geophysical Professions Act, be read for the first time.

First Reading Of Bill 2: Engineering, Geological And Geophysical Professions Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order. All those in favour of the motion? Opposed, if any? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 2 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Whitford.

First Reading Of Bill 3: Medical Care Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

February 16th, 1992

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Iqaluit, that Bill 3, An Act to Amend the Medical Care Act, be read for the first time.

First Reading Of Bill 3: Medical Care Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 3 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Patterson.

First Reading Of Bill 4: Mining Safety Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nunakput, that Bill 4, An Act to Amend the Mining Safety Act, be read for the first time.

First Reading Of Bill 4: Mining Safety Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 4 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Pollard.

First Reading Of Bill 5: Act To Repeal The Neptune Resources Corporation Loan Guarantee Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nunakput, that Bill 5, An Act to Repeal the Neptune Resources Corporation Loan Guarantee Act, be read for the first time.

First Reading Of Bill 5: Act To Repeal The Neptune Resources Corporation Loan Guarantee Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 5 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Ningark.

First Reading Of Bill 6: Purchasing Management Association Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River, that Bill 6, Purchasing Management Association Act, be read for the first time.

First Reading Of Bill 6: Purchasing Management Association Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 6 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Pollard.

First Reading Of Bill 12: Tobacco Tax Act
Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Natilikmiot, that Bill 12, An Act to Amend the Tobacco Tax Act, be read for the first time.