I fully agree that communities should not be taking programs unless we thoroughly involve the community to make sure that those programs can be delivered.

I do not believe -- and I hope I am not hearing -- that people want things status quo right now. I seem to be hearing, "Do not do anything." But, I think that if a series of communities just do not want to move with this, they can pass motions in their communities saying they do not want to do this, or they may take a period of time.

Different regions do different things. This is all going to take time to do. If Deh Cho does not want to receive or talk about taking over more programs, we are not going to force feed people to do this. However, we have a very large Northwest Territories. There are different regions wanting to approach things differently. As I said, if people want to move, and one region does not, we cannot do anything about that. If the honourable Member was feeling that his communities do not want to be involved, that should not be viewed as something that is negative, because some people feel they have other mandates or want other ways of to dealing with things. We have to look at each community and what they are able to do as well as what they want to do. This is the work that is going to be done with a community so that it does not get short-changed in the delivery.

One thing I will tell you for sure is that if we do not do something about this government and reshaping it in a manner so that people want to take over responsibilities, it will be more than $50 million in debt. Right now, we know what it is going to cost as we go along. I am concerned that the people that are taking the programs over should be fully involved with this discussion at the community level because they are the ones that have to run it; they have to know what resources they require, and the support they need to do that.

Mr. Chairman, I want to assure the honourable Member that if Deh Cho wants to pass a motion that they do not want to be involved with the process for a number of years, so be it. They will be given respect accordingly. Thank you.