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Bill 25, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1991-92
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Minister.

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John Pollard Hay River

It is to a hospital, a medical treatment centre, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

I would like to know whether the Minister of Health or the Minister of Finance can let this House know with regard to the travel costs -- there has been an additional cost here, that we are being asked to authorize, of $3.1 million. When will they provide travel costs for Metis people?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Minister. Just prior to the Minister's response, I will take a 15 minute break.

--SHORT RECESS

The committee will come to order. Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Mr. Chairman, could the Member repeat the question?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, I indicated that this additional funding for $3.1 million is for cost of air fare for

patients travelling from their home community to the nearest treatment centre, and I wanted to know when they will provide travel costs for Metis people.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is a question I do not have a definite answer for. The issue of Metis health care is still unresolved. The answer to that question is attached to resolving that Metis health care issue. I cannot give a definite time.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Since the Minister has indicated he cannot give a definite time, does he know the status of this issue?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Whitford.

Issue Of Metis Health Care

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

The current status of this is that nationally the Metis are attempting to obtain a certain amount of recognition by the federal government, to place them on par with status Indians and Inuit people when it comes to certain benefits. I think it is something that is being worked on at the federal level, and territorially, of course, the request for full recognition of Metis health benefits is an issue that has yet to be resolved. We are attempting to address certain issues before we can make any decisions. One of them is financial; how will we pay for additional health costs associated with providing medical treatment at the same level as status Indian and Inuit people? I do not think we have resolved a number of issues, including a definition of "NWT Metis." Those issues are still being worked on with the Metis Nation and ourselves.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, recognizing the fact that this $3.144 million entails the funding for many people in the North, of the cost from their home community to the nearest health centre, and within this cost -- I recognize that we absorb the cost for Metis elders if they have to do medical travel, but I am trying to get some estimation, and I recognize the Minister's concern on financial aspects, but when does he anticipate to make a decision in respect to Metis benefits? When will Metis people be considered for health benefits? Not even taking into consideration the cost, first of all, because of the fact he does not know how much it is going to cost.

If it is costing us $21 million now to provide air fares for patients to travel to their home communities, and if we are planning to review hospitals so that they will not enhance their responsibilities on providing medical services, maybe we should consider giving more funding to hospitals to enhance their medical services that they provide. Not cut back. I am concerned that the medical facilities do not provide adequate services and, as a result, Metis people who utilize other services have to absorb that cost. I would like to get some indication from the Minister as to when he intends to address this issue -- this year, next year, never? Because we are always asked to approve an increase in funding that was initially not forecasted, and there is never an explanation given us that it is satisfactory to be able to state, "Yes, I agree this additional funding is required."

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Mr. Minister.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

As I explained, there are a number of factors that have to be determined, and certainly one is on a federal level, that the federal government recognize Metis as a distinct group and put them in the same category as status Indians and Inuit people, and they would ultimately become responsible for the services that both other groups currently enjoy. I think the federal government is reluctant to do this. I am not sure of all their reasons, but it is something we are keeping close watch on.

I wish it were a simple answer that I could resolve by saying, "Yes, we will provide that." I think it has gone before previous governments, and the decision was just as difficult then as it is now. We are working with the Metis Nation to identify the numbers of people involved in a decision like this, in order to see what the costs will be. That is one of the problems. From a more political standpoint, if we do something in the NWT here and eventually the federal government does recognize Metis people in the same sense they do status Indians and Inuit, and here already we are providing, from our internal resources, health care and other benefits, there is no guarantee they are going to say they are going to take over those responsibilities and free the territorial government from those financial responsibilities.

So I guess we are keeping close watch on what is taking place so that we can make a decision at the appropriate time. As far as the time is concerned, Mr. Chairman, it is not an issue that we have swept under the carpet. It is something that still needs to be resolved from a number of areas. I hope that we will see some resolve to this issue, but as far as a time, I cannot give a time on it. I would like to assure the Member that it is something that we are working on.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Mr. Chairman, maybe I could ask the Minister if he could clarify at what stage the issue of addressing Metis benefits is.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Metis Health Care A Federal Responsibility

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

It is at the stage where the Department of Health has been talking to the Metis Nation. We have several options to look at, everything from saying "Yes" right now to just bearing the consequences by saying "No" and leaving it as it is. I do not want to say "No." I cannot say "Yes." So, I think what I am saying is that until we know what the cost implications are going to be down the road, I do not think it would be very prudent for the department to take on that responsibility. If it is a federal responsibility, as I have heard suggested, then the federal government must take on that financial responsibility and provide for Metis people through our department or whatever funding arrangements that can be made. Right now, to say "Yes" would lock this government into spending money that we do not have appropriated for that category. That is where it is, currently. We are working with the Metis Nation to come up with a definition of Metis to determine what numbers there are to equate to costs.

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

The Minister indicated that they are at a stage whether they can say "Yes" or "No," but that they do not know the full cost implications. Can he indicate to Members what the cost implications would be if they decided to address health benefits for Metis people?

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Minister.