I had an opportunity to talk to some of the people I represent in Coppermine before we reconvened, and I was not too amazed that some of the elders who I spoke to did not agree to going with Nunavut. They told me, "How can Nunavut provide the services that we already have provided by the government? How can they better our services?' I never questioned them; I just sat there and had more tea and let them do all the talking.

When I talked to hunters and trappers that use the region that I represent that is supposed to be divided, they said that many of the Coppermine people still go close to Great Bear Lake to hunt for wolverines, wolves or whatever, or just go to places where their forefathers have gone. They do not want to lose that opportunity to continue going there.

In my opinion, before this division thing or plebiscite thing came up, we were always in the Central Arctic, and now all of a sudden we are going to be moved into a new direction which is the Eastern Arctic. History indicates that we have always been part of the Western Arctic, and the government gave us disk numbers that we still use. I know my disk number is W3668, because I am from the West. People in Coppermine and Cambridge are "W" too, so that is an indication that the government gave them a number saying they are from the Western Arctic. But now that we have something that we are going to have to live by, I really do not know what kind of direction our younger people want to take on this matter.

We have to look at our resources. What can we offer them? What can division offer our young people? What can division offer our elderly people? What kind of security can we be guaranteed, that we already have, that we may lose? Land claims, in my opinion, is not a solution. Land claims money can take you only so far. Once your investments are bad, what are you left with?

I may sound as though I am against division, but I have to speak for the people I represent. I am Inuvialuit. I might not speak my language, but, son of a gun, it is hard being brought up in a convent and losing what you were born with. But what costs will people pay in the Kitikmeot? Will we really be happy? Will we have decent representation? Will we have equal representation as the people who are living in the Baffin? We would like to see these written down so we have no more fear or uncertainties. The Territories is already unique enough.

We look at this side of the House. There are whole bunch of us who were born and raised in the Territories, and went to residential schools. Some of them are traditional people. They still uphold their values, but the world is changing. The Ministers across there are in the same boat. But why are we spoiling something we already try to make better'? We want to create something that some people might not like.

Money can take people only so far, but it is the resources we have, if we do not have renewable resources, things that you can grow and reproduce -- why are we going after the gold and silver'? That is non-renewable. I understand where the Baffin people are coming from. They have renewable resources, because they are so close to the ocean. They have shrimp. I have tasted their beautiful shrimp. But what we people in the Kitikmeot have, gold and silver, is not renewable. These are the things we have to tell our people about.

So I do not know if I can be a super salesman, but I will sure try. I do not work for Simpson Sears or Eatons. We all go to the Hudson's Bay store -- I do not call it Northern, I just call it The Bay. But I guess we will find out fairly shortly, Mr. Chairman.