Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I sense the context of what the honourable Member is trying to convey, but I think that in some areas there is no such requirement for business licences, and I think that business licences are issued in areas of profit making more than public services, and I do not see this as a profit-making venture. It is something that falls outside of that category, and I see no need for obtaining business licences -- certainly not in advance. If an institution or a group wishes to get together to form a co-operative or something like that in order to make profit off of this particular service, then I suspect they would have to comply with the business requirements of that community; but, in general, I do not see that as a requirement.
Debates of June 19th, 1992
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, if you designate a private residence, you are providing a service to the community for open custody of the use. I will give you an example. There is a music company here in town which was using its private residence to provide a service to the community; it ran into problems with city hall. I have a concern because it is not only here in Yellowknife but in other municipalities where a business could run into that same problem if it is designated as an open custody facility. I am just asking the department if they have done any research into this type of matter. It appears, from the comments I am hearing from the Minister and his officials, that this type of thing was not even considered. It could be considered as a business venture, so there might be some conflicting situation here between what the honourable Member is trying to do and the other laws that we have in place governing businesses.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Whitford.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I do not know if there would be much difference between boarding under these conditions as there would be in a private home or other things that may be seen as appropriate for the well-being of the individuals. It would be no different than boarding an Akaitcho Hall student. It is not a money-making venture. I do not think it is in conflict with what the Member is trying to get at as business. It is not looked at as establishing a business. In cases where they are establishing a facility for more than one person, or people are doing it as a business venture, there are requirements which they would have to comply with.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am somewhat astounded that the Minister would not be thinking of it as a business and is comparing it to open custody as at Akaitcho Hall. Open custody is for children that have gone through the courts, and that have done wrong in the society. In my opinion, Akaitcho Hall is a facility trying to encourage students to pursue their education, and there is no comparison with it. Mr. Chairman, I wanted to state that for the record, but I wanted to ask the Minister, in respect to pursuing this act to amend the Young Offenders Act, what provisions has his department taken in regard to addressing the insurance component that will be needed in these private homes? Is he indicating that as a department they will assist these individuals to address the insurance component so that they can comply with this act?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. I am going to allow the question, but I do want to remind Members that we are dealing with a specific clause. Some of the questions that are being asked are more of a general nature that should have been asked originally under general comments. I just want you to be aware and cognizant of that. Mr. Minister.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
I guess the short answer would be yes, there would be some assistance in acquiring insurance.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Mr. Chairman, I felt that my remarks were appropriate under clause 1.3 in respect to the class or place of facility designated, and I know now that the current places designated require insurance to cover those particular courses. Now that he is changing this act accordingly, I want to know whether or not they are going to absorb the costs. I did not really get an answer from the Minister. Can he state yes or no? Thank you.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
The clause that you are referring to is clause 2, subclause 28.(1.4). The same matter is in the new, reprinted bill. It is subclause 28.(1.3) in the bill you have and subclause 28.(1.4) in the reprinted legislation, so it is the same issue. Mr. Whitford.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, there are provisions available for obtaining insurance for the facilities through Storefront for those persons who are not able to obtain it on their own through their own means.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Mr. Chairman, I was not going to pursue this, but if the Minister is indicating that Storefront is to look after individuals to obtain insurance, I was under the impression that Storefront availability for insurance access was to be only for groups, organizations or non-profit societies. Has the policy been changed to allow for individual members to access this insurance? Thank you.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Mr. Whitford.
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Tony Whitford Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, the information I have is that it is capable of dealing with individuals as well.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Clause 2. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Mr. Chairman, would the Minister be willing to provide to the Members the criteria that allows for individuals to access this insurance opportunity in the event that they want to look at pursuing contracts or pursuing tenders with his department?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
Clause 2. Are there any other questions? Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Mr. Chairman, I have one other question under clause 2. With respect to the opinion of the director as to what facilities are suitable for open custody, can clarification be given to the Members as to what criteria the director will use that, in his opinion, are suitable for open custody?
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo
If I may, there is a new, reprinted bill, and I want to be sure all Members have a copy of the reprinted bill because the standing committee had requested, as Mr. Arngna'naaq indicated, an amendment to that particular section. It deals with ministerial responsibility. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize. I have just come to see that when they put in my amended bill, they did not take out my old bill; so I was referring to the old bill.