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Question O746-12(2): Update On Utility Rates Study
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Madam Premier.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that the study has been completed but to restate once again, that when we took over the responsibility for the Power Corporation, each community had different rates. At this point in time, the study is still going on. It is before the Public Utilities Board, and we anticipate by late this fall, the study will be complete, and that there will be some assessment on what we can do in terms of new rate structures. It is not complete at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. I would like to recognize in the gallery, Russian experts and lecturers. The group of Russian experts have been visiting the Northwest Territories under the current program of Scientific and Technical Corporation between Russia and Canada, and the Arctic and the north. The Russian delegation will consist of the following: I have a difficult time announcing these names, the Deputy Minister for Culture and Construction; and the President of the Association for Economic Corporation; and Chief Architects, State Project Institute in Yakutsk. Please rise.

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Welcome to Yellowknife, Northwest Territories. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Gargan.

Question O747-12(2): Training Of R.c.m.p. Reserves In The N.w.t.
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, many years ago I asked whether or not there may be an opportunity to implement a new police force, and I referred on many occasions to Alaska. Alaska has public safety officers, or peace officers. They have an arrangement where there are no R.C.M.P., the local people chose people to do that.

This morning, on the radio, Mr. Speaker, the superintendent of the R.C.M.P. said that they are going to start training people as reserve or R.C.M.P. reserves. They are going to train them to handle little things, where there are no R.C.M.P. and even where there are R.C.M.P. They would train them. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice, under the aboriginal people and justice administration discussion paper done by the Minister of Justice, Kim Campbell, it does say in there that pilot projects will be made with territorial and aboriginal communities to test community based approaches of policing, reserve, crime prevention, adjudication, and dispute resolution corrections and release.

I would like to ask whether or not, that as a result of this report, or discussion paper, that the R.C.M.P. are moving in that direction.

Question O747-12(2): Training Of R.c.m.p. Reserves In The N.w.t.
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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have met with the R.C.M.P. executive here, shortly after I was appointed as the Minister. I had one good talk with them. This statement, I just found out about it, the same as the Member, through the C.B.C. this morning. We have not ironed out our communication yet, but, hopefully, we will improve on it.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has worked jointly with the R.C.M.P., for some time, in looking at flushing out a proposal that would look at setting up a reserve R.C.M.P. force in communities in the Northwest Territories to assist R.C.M.P. in carrying out their duties. This has been submitted to the Solicitor General in Ottawa. The expectation is much as C.B.C. reported, it would help the R.C.M.P. in carrying out their duties in communities, it would assist communities in taking on more responsibility, and developing a sense of ownership. Where the policing function that is carried out now solely by the R.C.M.P., that it would be a volunteer force, probably in tradition of the north, there would be some small per diem paid, some small fee paid for the work. There would probably be a uniform and something like firearms training, and other types of training, that would be provided by the R.C.M.P. themselves. That is about the extent of the information that I had, as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Ningark.

Question O748-12(2): Heating Fuel Transported To Pelly Bay
Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation. Seeing as winter is just around the corner, Mr. Speaker, having lived many winters in the past, knowing that winters are very cold, being aware that every home in Pelly Bay is heated by P50 heating fuel, I recognize the government has drastically cut some of its government services to the public. My question, Mr. Speaker, is how much heating fuel has been brought to my community of Pelly Bay by ship, which has been neglected in the past?

Question O748-12(2): Heating Fuel Transported To Pelly Bay
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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, up until September 1 this year, Pelly was indeed the only community that was situated on the waterfront that had no ships or shipping facilities. As of September 1 this year, that ended when the coastguard delivered two ceremonial barrels of fuel to Pelly Bay. Mr. Speaker, the delivery of that fuel, I think, was the end result of a long struggle that the honourable Member had initially launched when he first came into the House, to reduce shipping costs into his community. The amount delivered was relatively small, Mr. Speaker, 90 gallons, one barrel of gas, and one barrel of heating fuel were delivered to the Mayor and the M.L.A. for the distribution to the community for gas for their snowmobiles, we hope. Maybe get a few caribou out of it, and then the heating fuel for the heating of the community hall. So, all together, 90 gallons, sir.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister be sure the next delivery will have a little more than 95 gallons of fuel? Thank you.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Whitford.

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Tony Whitford

Tony Whitford Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker, and I can assure you that the costs will be substantially lower than what it is now.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Dent.

Question O749-12(2): Consultation With Moving Companies Regarding Proposed Tariff
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, in his budget address, the Minister of Finance announced the introduction of a published fee schedule listing what the government will pay moving companies to relocate government staff. I find this somewhat unusual, Mr. Speaker; I am not aware of other circumstances where competitive industries quote what they may charge. I do not believe the government tells airlines what we will pay for tickets. I do not believe the government tells stationery stores what we will pay for pencils. So, this seems to me a thoroughly new area where we are moving into telling a competitive industry what they may charge. It seems very strange that we are now telling northern owned companies, many of which are owned by aboriginal people, what the government will pay for providing services. Can the Minister of Finance advise this House whether there was any consultation entered into with the moving companies in the setting up of this proposed tariff.

Question O749-12(2): Consultation With Moving Companies Regarding Proposed Tariff
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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the reason for this tariff was that it was identified to us by the Department of Personnel that if two employees of government, one of the federal government, and one of the territorial government, lived in similar sized houses adjacent to one another in the same community, and they were both transferred on the same day, the moving company would come and pick up the federal employee at one rate, and move his or her effects to their next destination, and then come back and pick up the territorial government employee, and the rates were substantially more. Now, I believe the Department of Personnel investigated this with other jurisdictions, and suggested to the Financial Management Board that there seemed to be some difference in the rates that we were being charged, and the federal government was being charged. There was an examination. I am not able to tell the Member if there were

consultations with the moving industry prior to, but certainly the thing was examined, and the moving industry has been consulted since the report has been adopted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent.

Question O750-12(2): Responses Of Moving Companies To Proposed Tariff
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Something I would like to address to the same Minister. If the Minister has indicated that the moving companies have had a chance to respond, could he inform the House what the response was from the moving companies to the proposed tariff?

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I understand that they have responded, but they have not responded to me, sir, they may have responded to the Department of Personnel, so I would defer to the Department of Personnel.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. Before we go any further in Item 5, the Member for Mackenzie Delta who was asking for a legal opinion, and I would like to indicate now you can get the legal opinion, but not on the ruling. Now Legal Counsel is available. Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will take your advice, and, in fact, ask for a legal opinion, but rather than do it here, I will take the opportunity to have the legal advisor provide me with a detailed, written legal summary. Thank you.

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The Speaker Ludy Pudluk

Thank you. We will go back to Item 5. Supplementary, Mr. Dent.