Mr. Speaker, I think if the Member is going to try and quote me he should be a little more precise about it, I never use the words that he used. This is what I said, civil servants do not come to line with the approach that I want to advocate, as long as I am the Minister, they can face the prospect of being put out to pasture. By that I meant, that they can go work in other fields, other than this one, if they do not have the philosophical coherency to take the approach that I want, to negotiate any community transfers and self-

government arrangements. Then we will see that they work in another area of government, where their skills and their philosophies are less antagonistic. I did not intend to mean that I am going to seek to have them removed from the civil service at all. That should be clarified.

In any case, the Gwich'in have served notice that they want to start negotiations on the framework for self-government, and I have indicated that I am prepared to see these negotiations begin. That, personally, I do not see any short term or on the short term any immediate tangible results. Strategically, I asked them to consider the possibility that we look at getting into community transfer initiative talks, as if it was all part of self-government negotiations at the community level, and that this would certainly be done without prejudicing self- government negotiations. Irregardless of whether they go for an aboriginal form of self-government, or whether they go to be part of a public government, that the basic intent is that there will be a strong community government. That is what the intent of the community transfer initiatives are. So, that is what the message was to the Gwich'in. Thank you.