This is page numbers 941 - 970 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to sports hunting of polar bear, they have two different permits. They have two different licences that they have to acquire to go sports hunting. In regard to trophy fee, when they shoot a polar bear, they have to pay a trophy fee and the fee this year is about $500, from $250 to $500. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Pudluk.

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Ludy Pudluk High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The increase in the fee from big game hunters, will that touch the whole of the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo.

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Titus Allooloo Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This fee increase is for people that hunt polar bears and it is an increase to the trophy fee. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Todd.

Question O787-12(2): Action To Increase Policing Services
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September 15th, 1992

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice. There are many small communities within the Northwest Territories that do not have resident R.C.M.P. These communities have expressed their concern about the lack of basic police services for a number of years.

There have been discussions in the House by previous Ministers about developing a program that would train by-law officers or other individuals within the communities to perform some of these R.C.M.P. duties.

Can the Minister advise the House, whether he has taken any action toward developing an initiative to provide increased policing services to communities that do not have resident R.C.M.P.?

Question O787-12(2): Action To Increase Policing Services
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in the only meeting that I have had with people who are in charge of the R.C.M.P. here in the Northwest Territories, I had suggested to them that there are certain communities that have had long outstanding requests to have R.C.M.P. officers put in these specific communities. I pointed to Wrigley as one example, and as well, there was a suggestion that certain communities such as: Grise Fiord; Paulatuk; and Sachs Harbour; among others, who would, as a result of cutbacks, be unable to enjoy the presence of an R.C.M.P. officer.

What I wanted, as a Minister, was some clear indication from the R.C.M.P. as to what is required in order to maintain these positions, when they were being threatened, as well as to replace officers in locations like Wrigley. That was agreed to, as you know. A week ago, the R.C.M.P. indicated that because of savings they have made through the year, they are able to put R.C.M.P. officers back in certain places like, Paulatuk, Sachs Harbour, and one or two other communities, but they are unable, as yet, to respond positively to requests such as Wrigley. As a result of my lunch meeting with the Gwich'in Council, Arctic Red River has served notice it has also been asking for many years that this type of service should be provided.

It seems to me that once we work out the type of additional funding that the R.C.M.P. may require to staff these positions, and it should be clear what the difficulties are, such as lack of housing, lack of office space, and in some cases, a lack of adequate housing, then the costs become quite substantial.

We are looking at ways in which we could make it more realistic, perhaps, try to present a realistic proposal to Cabinet and then, hopefully, to this Legislature to provide some comfort to communities like Wrigley and Arctic Red River amongst others.

It is my belief as a Minister, that every community, whether or not there is a level of crime reported, should all enjoy the presence of a police officer. This leads to peace within the community and a sense of security, especially for the elders, and the women and children of that community. The matter is simply to find the most expeditious way of proceeding. Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. My question was not for a requirement of an expansion of the R.C.M.P. My question was, has the Department of Justice initiated the development of a program to train local by-law officers or individuals, within the communities, to perform some of the policing duties that cannot be performed because of the lack of R.C.M.P.?

I do not think my question was answered. Has the Department of Justice, or is the Department of Justice developing a local initiative program that would allow by-law officers or others to act in a policing capacity where there are no R.C.M.P.?

Supplementary To Question O787-12(2): Action To Increase Policing Services
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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I apologize for missing the question. As I understand it, none of the communities who are without an R.C.M.P. are asking for an auxiliary force or a replacement type of officer. What I understand is that every community that is not enjoying a

R.C.M.P. officer at this time, is making that request, to get an R.C.M.P. officer.

The Government of the Northwest Territories with the R.C.M.P., for some years now, have worked on an initiative, especially where there are one man detachments and possibly more than one R.C.M.P. stationed, that we will get into a program that will see a voluntary or auxiliary force trained by the R.C.M.P. that could be used in those communities, so that the communities would have input into their own policing.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Antoine.

Question O788-12(2): 0788-12(2): Inclusion Of Deh Cho Chiefs In Committee Of Political Leaders
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed towards the Minister responsible for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs. It has to do with your statement, the Minister's statement. I am glad that he is at this meeting, however, I am concerned because I represent a portion of the Northwest Territories that is not included in this committee that he has.

If this committee is going to be the driving force for community transfers and self-government models, then I am very concerned that the people that I represent are going to be left out. It seems to me that the people that are in this group have to accept the federal government's land claims approach, and at the same time denounce Bill Erasmus and the Dene Nation before they are included in this group.

We have chiefs in my region that have strong views on self-government as well as community transfers. I know that Bill Erasmus is there, but if this is the case where you have chiefs in different regions represented, then I would like to ask the Minister if he could include the Deh Cho chiefs in these discussions, especially if initial work plans and interim budgets are being considered? If Members of this committee want to have the opportunity to address this House, I think they should be included as well. Would the Minister indicate to the House if the Deh Cho and the region would be included in this committee? Thank you.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, when this was first brought up...

---Translation not available

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Maybe, Mr. Kakfwi, if you just give it a couple of minutes, or couple of seconds here to see if they can resolve this. Okay, Mr. Kakfwi, maybe you could try it again now.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, yesterday we had a meeting with a number of people, and I would like to say something about it. Mr. Antoine had questioned me about it. When we first established this committee there was just a certain number of people that were sitting on it, there was Roger Gruben from the I.T.C.; and the Dene Nation, Bill Erasmus as representative; Gary Bohnet from the Metis Association; a Member from the M.L.A.'s; and a Member from the Ministers.

The people that were sitting on the board were aboriginal people, there were people from up the Beaufort Sea, from the Metis Association and from the Dene Nation. If we were to have self-government, how would we handle governing ourselves? Further into these discussions the Gwich'in have decided that they would like to have their own self-government, and no longer be included with the Dene Nation. They would like to have their own representation from amongst their own people. So, it was agreed upon.

Not long after that, the Sahtu region decided that they wanted to have their own representation for their own self-government system. They wanted to have their own representative from their own region. So, they were included within the group. Since this spring, we have not had meetings together, so, yesterday when we were finished here, we had a meeting at 6:00 p.m. When we all gathered together the Dogrib Nation also joined in, and they also said that they wanted to have their own representation.

So, they are now included with their own representatives to speak on their own behalf. As you may know now the Dene Nation and Metis Association are not fully representing the whole western Arctic. The Gwich'in have their own board, the Dogrib have their own board, and the Sahtu region have their own board. Yesterday, when we had this discussion the Dogrib delegation came in, said that they would also like to be included with this committee, and to have their own representation.

Also, the Chipewyan from Fort Smith, Fort Resolution and other communities of Chipewyan speaking people have not said anything to date, so we think that they wanted to be represented under the Dene Nation, and the Chiefs all got together, they were from the Gwich'in nation, and from the Sahtu region. They were interested in finding out what was being discussed, they just came more as observers, just to see what was being discussed in the meeting. As Jim was saying, for the Deh Cho region, there are a lot of communities, the chiefs also want to represent their own people, speak on their behalf, and I am not one to speak for them, but if they all feel that they would like to represent their own people in that, I think that this will work out well, if it is agreed upon.

Supplementary To Question O788-12(2): Inclusion Of Deh Cho Chiefs In Committee Of Political Leaders
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you Steve, for informing me. I feel this is very important, if we are going to talk about it. I am representing the people from the Deh Cho region, I cannot sit back and not say anything, I have to speak about it. The people that are sitting on the committee, when they are talking about a constitution, one of the M.L.A.'s, John Todd, from the Inuit land, has said what he thought about it, and I also want to express what my constituents feel. I felt that they were left out. This is why from here on, if there is going to be a committee, I would like the Deh Cho region to be involved. This is why I am asking if there is going to be a committee, I would like the Deh Cho region and the council to sit in amongst them.

Speaker's Ruling

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

I am cautioning Members in oral questions, if you could pose a question preceded by a short preamble, that was much more in the way of a statement, Mr. Antoine. In future, if Members could try, a short preamble, then pose the question. Mr. Kakfwi, if you would like to respond.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

(Translation) Mahsi Cho, as I had mentioned before, the meeting that we had yesterday, if we have meetings like this and not everyone is not included, I do not feel right about it. I feel that if everybody is equally represented from the Inuit, and the Gwich'in, and from the Sahtu region, and everybody that was in that meeting all felt the same, that the next re-election for the Legislature, when the time comes, that will be discussed. In the next couple of months, the discussion will begin, but for now, what is felt to be important is government transfer of powers, and jobs. It is felt that for this reason funding is very important. What will be the process of this self-government, and of obtaining funding? They felt that this should be discussed right now. This is the more important issue at this time, and as myself being a Minister, I feel that it is not proper for me to be discussing such an important issue, and how much money should be allocated, until formal discussions take place. I feel in that way it is right, but I think that no decision should be made for any communities. If it is worked on in this way, there is a lot that could be benefitted through discussions in this process. How the Gwich'in, the Inuit, and the Chipewyan would all discuss how this process of self-government should happen in the communities, and in the future, how we would all work together, and come up with this whole self-government issue.

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Dent.

Question O789-12(2): Financial Statements For Expo '92 Facility
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism. Mr. Speaker, we have heard a great deal of talk and speculation concerning the performance or, perhaps, more aptly put, the non-performance, of the Northwest Territories portion of the Canadian pavilion at Expo '92 in Seville. Last fall we heard that it was going to cost us maybe $1 million. Recent reports have got closer to $4 million dollars. Mr. Speaker, to ensure that we have an accurate picture of our financial position, will the Minister table up to date financial statements for facility at Expo '92?

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard.