Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a touch on the issue of evaluation again. This is an arms length agency, there has to be some basis on which it receives its funds, the college itself must have some system to determine what things will work, and what things are not working. In other words, they must have some system of evaluation, so I would like to know, where does this responsibility lie? Is it a departmental responsibility? Do they just sort of accept what they are told? Do they have a monitoring responsibility? How do you handle the whole issue of evaluating post-secondary institutions that we have a responsibility for? I raise it, because it is a problem right across the country right now. How do you decide how good a university is, whether they should be offering these

services, could they be done differently? Is the money being well spent?

Anyway, that is a general concern of evaluation. How do you decide, and what is the departmental responsibility for it?