Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have already talked about this issue during this Session in a Member's statement, and for four years previously to this, I have addressed this issue of policing.

I really do not want to spend a lot of time repeating things that I have already said before. Just some insights would be rather useful, perhaps. I have known many young policemen over the years, and I know that after they have served in a detachment, where they are on shifts and so on, and they are investigating crimes, they really live a tough life in many ways. When they go to a small community to work, it is almost like going to a holiday camp, and they admit it. It is like going to heaven, almost, because it is such a beautiful place, the people are so nice, and we cannot believe that you could actually get paid for doing this, it is marvellous.

Of course, they very often did not stay long, and they were young. They would regret leaving, because it was so marvellous, but they were told you will go now, you have done your few years, and it is time to move on. I hear that many times people talk about the need to do things in a different way, our systems do not work, and it has to be more reflective of what we need. I am reminded by the remarks made by Kenoayoak Pudlat about his community. Lake Harbour, at one time, in 1911, it was the headquarters, it was one of the few places on Baffin Island that existed as a community. It had a wonderful deep water port there, and it was easy to get into. The police established the first detachment on the Island. It was responsible for a huge area, they ran dog teams all over the place. Iqaluit did not exist, it was not even thought about putting a place like Iqaluit together at that time.

Over the years, things change, other places grow, and their needs grow. The Minister is faced with a problem of not being able to do everything that people want to do, with what he has got. It is not a direct relationship to the R.C.M.P., I suppose he has a lot of influence, but the R.C.M.P. have to do the job that it is contracted to do under its agreement. You have so many resources to do it.

I know, Mr. Chairman, and maybe Mr. Pudlat will remember this, that there was a man in Lake Harbour, called Akavak, who was famous all over Baffin Island, he is dead now, but he was always polite to people. Whenever the plane arrived with a new constable, he would just take him under his wing, he would only be about 20 years old, still green, and wet behind the ears. As far as the people in that community were concerned, the real policeman was Akavak, he was the guy that knew everything, and he was the person that people would look to. He knew that place, he knew the people, and he was not going to be moving to another detachment somewhere in Saskatchewan, he was going to be there for the rest of his life.

I think people were very well served by people of his quality. There were many of them, I am thinking of Kyak from Pond Inlet, as another example of it. It seems to me that this whole business, of how you provide policing, has to be a proper mix of what you really need to get done.

For example, my guess, and I agree to be out of touch in a lot of the small communities, now, I do not live there any more, but my guess is that there are very few crimes in the community, where within a few minutes, people do not know who did it. It is very rare that you get something happening without people knowing who was responsible for doing it. It is very difficult to be anonymous, and to do something that takes weeks, and weeks, to figure out who is responsible.

The whole business of investigating is not the same, it just seems to be a different kind of work to what exists in the big centre. Whereas, I have said before, we now have crime on a very large sophisticated scale compared with what used to happen, even in this city, 10 years ago. I am stating that point, Mr. Chairman, because it seems to me that we really have to look at what the real needs are, what is the best way of meeting those needs, so we can make the best use of our resources.

I would like to warn Members, that as far as I am concerned, anyway, and what I have learned over the last three or four years, that in this city, although we seem by comparison to be well served, it is very much a question of too few people doing a job, which is beyond the means as allocated to it.