Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think I understand what Mr. Gargan is getting at, but I have to respectfully advise him that money does, whether we like it or not, matter and even make the world go round. We heard in Fort Simpson and in Fort Providence from people who wanted to use traditional healers. We were given the name of a healer who was known to be effective in Alberta. In some cases, the local nurses wanted to help, but without being recognized and funded by a medicare system, staff had to go to real convolutions to cover the expenses of travel, for example. We found that by going through great bureaucratic adventures, people who didn't have the means were able to be helped to get to this traditional healer in Alberta. But, it was done in spite of the system and not because of the system. I think our recommendation will deal with simple question like how you transport a patient who wants that help to get to a location. Those are real costs that many people simply do not have the means to meet themselves.

With the greatest respect to Mr. Gargan, I think if we are going to accept our commitment to traditional healing methods, we have to back it up with real money, just like we do with the clinical medical model approaches. I think we have to go further and acknowledge the need for money. I will not support the amendment.