Thank you. Mr. Todd.
Debates of Nov. 25th, 1993
Topics
Question 101-12(4): Construction Of Community Access Road - Gjoa Haven
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
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John Todd Keewatin Central
It was the honourable Member, Mr. Ningark, who raised the issue of community access roads, in the House, last year. A number of other Members also raised it. The previous budget under the former Minister, Mr. Whitford, was $250,000. I think I said in my opening comments earlier this week, that I see community access roads as an important policy or program to allow people -- as Mr. Ningark said -- to access whether it's fishing, hunting or recreational areas. It is our intention to...We've moved the budget to $650,000 in 1994-95 and, I believe, it's projected to move to $1 million in 1996-97. There will be a policy in place very shortly which will allow us to move forward with a joint initiative between the departments and municipalities or other groups where we can provide, hopefully, over a period of time, some dollars to build what we call access roads. I would caution everybody, when we talk about access roads we're not talking about highways. We're talking about a road that would be capable of a four-wheel truck or a recreational vehicle. It is our intention to move forward with that. It is in the budget.
We are getting requests from the communities and we're trying to work out a plan to do that. We have a request from Gjoa Haven and Pelly Bay. We also have a request from Arviat, Baker Lake and Coral Harbour, Mr. Zoe. There are a number of requests out there because of this policy. We're going to endeavour to do the best we can with the limited resources we have. Thank you.
Return To Question 101-12(4): Construction Of Community Access Road - Gjoa Haven
Question 101-12(4): Construction Of Community Access Road - Gjoa Haven
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Mr. Todd.
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Question 101-12(4): Construction Of Community Access Road - Gjoa Haven
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Pardon me, was that returns to written questions?
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Question 101-12(4): Construction Of Community Access Road - Gjoa Haven
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
I believe item 6, written questions has already been passed. If anybody wants to go back to item 6, they have to ask for unanimous consent. Item 7, returns to written questions. Mr. Todd.
Return To Written Question 14-12(4): Iqaluit Council Dissolution Discussions
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to a written question by Mr. Patterson, yesterday, on the Iqaluit council dissolution discussions. Both Mr. Patterson and myself have agreed it would be appropriate to read the response into the record.
This is with respect to the Iqaluit council dissolution discussions.
The president of the Northwest Territories Association of Municipalities, Mayor Pat McMahon, informed a municipal inspector, in January of 1993, that representatives from the town of Iqaluit were concerned that the debenture dilemma could lead to the appointment of the municipal administrator in Iqaluit. The president informed the inspector that she was available to lend assistance to the department and the town in resolving this dispute.
On the morning of Wednesday, February 17, 1993 the superintendent of Municipal and Community Affairs for the Baffin region met in Iqaluit with Mayor Ruttan and gave him an advance copy of the 1992 municipal evaluation report. This report was discussed for a considerable length of time. The superintendent conveyed to the mayor the seriousness of a report with more than 50 recommendations for corrective action on the part of the town.
The superintendent made reference to a lack of administrative direction and expressed concern about the senior administration officer's ability to manage the town administration properly. The superintendent believes that the mayor understood the message but shortly thereafter, the mayor wrote to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs and requested the evaluation report be withdrawn.
On Wednesday, February 24, 1993, the superintendent met with town councillor, Chris Groves. The superintendent and councillor Groves discussed the councillor's serious concerns about the way the town was being managed and the poor performance of the senior administration officer. Councillor Groves also expressed questions on the municipal evaluation he had yet to receive. The possibility of appointment of a municipal administrator was raised.
On March 4 and 5, 1993, senior officials of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs met in the town of Iqaluit and held several meetings -- some with town administration, some with town councillors, and some with town administration and town councillors together -- to discuss the report of the municipal evaluation that had been conducted by the department in November, 1992. The tone of the meetings was set by the town and can be characterized as defensive and adversarial.
At the March 5 luncheon meeting with the mayor, five town councillors, the SAO and the auditor, the seriousness of both the evaluation report and the land development debenture issue were discussed at length, including the ultimate solution of placing a municipal administrator in Iqaluit. The departmental officials answered in the affirmative when members of council asked direct questions about the potential for the appointment of a municipal administrator. Some councillors made reference to the fact that a municipal administrator had been appointed in 1976.
After the March 5 luncheon meeting, Mayor Ruttan and the assistant deputy minister of operations for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs held a private meeting. The meeting lasted about one hour. The overall theme of the meeting was that the town administration had failed the council and that the senior administration officer was at the root of the problems. The assistant deputy minister suggested that, in the opinion of the department, the senior administration officer had to be removed. The assistant deputy minister added that problems would continue to arise regardless of what fix was developed, unless the SAO was removed from her position. The discussion also centred on the severity of the problems and that, although it would not be what the department would desire, the problems were serious enough to have the town placed under a municipal administrator.
The Baffin regional superintendent's telephone log for October, 1993 shows that Mayor Ruttan either visited the superintendent's office or telephoned the superintendent five times between October 14, 1993 and October 28, 1993. On these occasions, the mayor discussed problems, concerns and legal questions regarding the current operation of the town. The mayor made reference to the question of dissolving the town council and placing a municipal administrator in the town.
I have been advised by a number of persons, including the Baffin regional director, that the issue of lack of effective performance of the town senior administration officer was a subject of common discussion among ratepayers and members of the business community in Iqaluit. It is inconceivable that Mayor Ruttan could not have known, well before the appointment of the municipal administrator on November 12, 1993, that the performance of the town senior administration office was a major issue. Thank you.
Return To Written Question 14-12(4): Iqaluit Council Dissolution Discussions
Item 7: Returns To Written Questions
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Item 7, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.
Return To Written Question 14-12(4): Iqaluit Council Dissolution Discussions
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker, return to Written Question 11-12(4) asked by Mr. Arngna'naaq to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs concerning the policy and funds for missing persons.
Return To Written Question 11-12(4): Policy Of Funds For Missing Persons
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
The policy on contributions for community organized searches for missing persons provides for the Government of the Northwest Territories to make contributions of up to $1,000 to a community council to offset the costs associated with a community council under the authority of the Civil Emergency Measures Act.
The common procedure under the policy, when a person is missing from a community is as follows:
1. the community council determines that a search for a missing person or persons is necessary. A council may determine that the search is necessary either before or after a public search by the RCMP or other federal agency;
2. the community council makes an official request to the regional director to authorize a community organized search;
3. the regional director authorizes the community organized search.
Where there is no recognized community council, the regional director may offer financial assistance under the policy to an appropriate group or organization, such as a hunters' and trappers' association.
Funding is not set aside in advance for search and rescue in communities. Under the policy, the provision of financial assistance for community-organized searches is done on an application basis, at the time that a search is considered necessary by the community council.
Under the policy, the regional director has the authority to approve search-related expenditures and to determine reasonable costs associated with conducting a community-organized search. Aircraft charter costs, the purchase of groceries, fuel, lubricants and minor machine parts may be eligible expenditures.
Return To Written Question 11-12(4): Policy Of Funds For Missing Persons
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Thank you. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, replies to budget address. Item 10, petitions.
Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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Titus Allooloo Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have Petition 2-12(4) from the hamlet council and the Pond Inlet Housing Association. They are jointly initiating this petition, in opposition to the Government of the Northwest Territories proposal to privatize the NWTPC. There are over 298 signatures. Thank you.
Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Thank you. Item 10, petitions. Mr. Arvaluk.
Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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James Arvaluk Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table Petition 3-12(4) from parents and community members of Chesterfield Inlet. The 99 signatories of this petition request that the Minister of Education reconsider the planned expansion of the Victor Sammurtok school in the 1998-99 fiscal year to the 1994-95 fiscal year.
Mr. Speaker, the school has used the library resource centre, industrial arts and home economics areas. In fact, Mr. Speaker, the porch area where coats and boots are placed, is being used as a teaching space for Inuktitut classes. Because of the increase in student numbers, I would ask that the Minister look very seriously at this request. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Thank you. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Zoe.
Committee Report 6-12(4): Report Of The Standing Committee On Public Accounts Summary Report On The Review Of The Financial Statements Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories And The Report Of The Auditor General For Canada For The Year Ending March 31, 1992
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Public Accounts is pleased to present its Report on the Review of the Financial Statements of the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Report of the Auditor General for Canada for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1992.
Section One: The Hearings
The Auditor General's Report For 1991-92
Earlier this year, the Auditor General of Canada, Mr. L. Denis Desautels, forwarded his Report of the Auditor General to the Legislative Assembly to the Speaker, the Honourable Michael Ballantyne. This document, along with the Public Accounts of the Northwest Territories for the year ending March 31, 1992, became the focal point for four days of public hearings in May 1993 and five days of follow-up work, in September 1993.
In Camera Meetings
In addition to the public hearings, the committee met in camera on several occasions in May and in September to prepare for the public meetings, to discuss the issues raised during the public hearings, and to develop this report to the Legislative Assembly.
Section Two: The Process
Timing And Presentation Of The Public Accounts
Committee Report 6-12(4): Report Of The Standing Committee On Public Accounts Summary Report On The Review Of The Financial Statements Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories And The Report Of The Auditor General For Canada For The Year Ending March 31, 1992
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the May meetings of the Public Accounts Committee, the Comptroller General indicated that an attempt would be made to provide the standing committee with financial statements earlier than has been done in the past.
Mr. Speaker, preliminary 1992-93 financial statements were provided to the committee on Friday, September 10, 1993, in preparation for the meetings which commenced the following Monday. Although the committee was pleased to receive this critical information early in the cycle, Members noted that this did not provide enough time for our staff to prepare for the committee and for translation. A detailed, formal presentation of the 1992-93 financial statements was given to the committee on Thursday, September 16, 1993. The committee, Mr. Speaker, found this presentation beneficial and informative.
The Comptroller General, Mr. Speaker, also undertook to investigate ways and means of presenting the public accounts in plain language -- language understandable to the average layman. The committee recognizes, however, in this undertaking, care must be taken to ensure that the public accounts meet the necessary accounting standards.
Departmental Commitment To The Public Accounts Process
In terms of the Departmental commitment to the public accounts process, Mr. Speaker, the committee noted that while most departments were represented at the May 1993 meetings by the deputy ministers, a few departments were represented by assistant deputy ministers. The committee would like to emphasize the importance of having deputy ministers, who are ultimately accountable for the administration of their departments, present at meetings of the Public Accounts Committee.
Changes To The Financial Administration Act
Mr. Speaker, the NWT Financial Act has been changed effective April 1992, to raise the level of accountability away from the smaller level of activities to a departmental level. The rationale behind the change is to give the Deputy Minister more authority over the spending and revenues of their particular departments and to hold them accountable for significant variances where they overspend their entire departmental budget.
Mr. Speaker, at our May meetings, the Auditor General's Office announced that, due to these changes in the Financial Administration Act, this would probably be the final year for which they would be commenting on overexpenditures at the activity level. Overexpenditures will be brought to the attention of the Assembly through the Audit Report, only if the department over expends its total budget. However, the Public Accounts Committee announced that it will continue to monitor at the activity level, where overexpenditures occur. The committee feels, given past experience, that it is important that the committee and the public be able to determine where large overexpenditures are occurring at the activity level of reporting.
The information required to monitor at the activity level will continue to be available in schedule two of the public accounts and the Auditor General indicated that his office would provide assistance to the Public Accounts Committee to look into any specific expenditures at the activity level.
Section Three: Issues And Concerns
Mr. Speaker, during our public hearings in May of 1993, the committee discussed various issues raised by the Auditor General with senior departmental officials. At these meetings, the committee requested additional information about these issues from many of the departmental officials who appeared before the committee. In September, the committee reviewed the departmental information submissions, discussed the issues further and prepared this report.
Mr. Speaker, the third section of the committee report provides a detailed summary of the issues and concerns raised and discussed and presents the committee's comments.
Motion To Receive And Adopt Committee Report 6-12(4), Carried
Mr. Speaker, that concludes my presentation of the committee's report. I, therefore move, seconded by the honourable Member for Deh Cho, that the report of the
Standing Committee on Public Accounts be received and adopted. Thank you.
Committee Report 6-12(4): Report Of The Standing Committee On Public Accounts Summary Report On The Review Of The Financial Statements Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories And The Report Of The Auditor General For Canada For The Year Ending March 31, 1992
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Thank you. Motion is in order. To the motion.
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An Hon. Member
Question.
Committee Report 6-12(4): Report Of The Standing Committee On Public Accounts Summary Report On The Review Of The Financial Statements Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories And The Report Of The Auditor General For Canada For The Year Ending March 31, 1992
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Question has been called. All those in favour? Opposed? Motion is carried.
---Carried
Committee Report 6-12(4): Report Of The Standing Committee On Public Accounts Summary Report On The Review Of The Financial Statements Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories And The Report Of The Auditor General For Canada For The Year Ending March 31, 1992
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Member for Thebacha.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table Tabled Document 23-12(4), which is a letter dated October 28, to myself with regard to concerns of my constituents, advising me of the unfair practice by the Government of Northwest Territories in respect to charging a fee for parking at their place of employment. Thank you.
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Mr. Pollard.
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Charter Communities Act
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
November 24th, 1993
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John Pollard Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin Central, that Bill 2, an Act to Amend the Charter Communities Act be read for the second time.
Mr. Speaker, this bill enhances the powers of a municipal corporation to acquire, use and dispose of real and personal property. It also requires a municipal corporation to pass a land administration by-law before it disposes of real property and makes the enactment of the by-law subject to the approval of the Minister. In addition, the bill clarifies the powers of a municipal corporation to carry on business. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Charter Communities Act
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Thank you. The motion is in order. All those in favour? Opposed? Motion is carried.
---Carried
Bill 2: An Act To Amend The Charter Communities Act
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The Deputy Speaker Ludy Pudluk
Bill 2 has had second reading and bill stands referred to committee. Item 18, second reading of bills. Mr. Pollard.