Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Mr. Minister, would you like to comment on that?
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The Chair John Ningark
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John Todd Keewatin Central
No, that's fine, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the comments of the honourable Member and other Members. I've made a commitment to revisit the financial expenditures. I hope I can accommodate their concerns. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total region, Fort Smith, $20 million. Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think this is the activity that also includes community wharves, new and also renovate existing wharves. In the Fort Smith region, Mr. Chairman, I don't see any money in capital put aside for wharf improvement. Could I ask the Minister why money wasn't allocated for the Fort Smith region? We do have a number of community wharves that need repairs. Why wasn't this included in the capital budget?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
The wharves in the Fort Smith region were not viewed as a priority with respect to the dollars we have. We have assigned, as we said, $20 million into highways and bridge rehabilitation costs. As the previous Member said, there's a limitation to what we can do. From what I remember reading, I don't think it was a high priority from any of the requests that came in from the communities. Whereas, if I may use the issue of places like Pangnirtung, Coral Harbour, et cetera, it appeared that these communities felt wharves were of a higher priority because they didn't have highways and they use marine transportation on a more frequent basis than the communities that have highways. It's just a limitation of dollars, nothing else.
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The Chair John Ningark
Qujannamiik. General comments. Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, I know anything over $5,000 is usually considered capital. For minor repairs to existing docks and wharves in the Fort Smith region, is it possible it could be funded through O and M through the Department of Transportation?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I'm not aware of any specific requests for upgrading in that particular area. However, I would say to the honourable Member, should I be given specific requests we would look at it and see what we can do. I caution you again, when we talk about fair and equitable treatment of capital dollars, that's what we've endeavoured to do. We've endeavoured to put it into what we see as the priority on the highway system. That's what we've done with $20 million. It may not be in the roads to everyone's satisfaction, but the dollars are there.
In the east we've put it into airport and marine infrastructure. So, if there are some specific requests that come forward from the communities we would look at them, but only in the fiscal framework that we're operating within. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Zoe.
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Just to make a point, Mr. Chairman, the Minister is assuming that all communities in the Fort Smith region are on the highway system. That's not the case, Mr. Chairman, particularly in my riding. I think the majority of communities are on the highway system except for three communities in my riding, just to clarify for the record, Mr. Chairman. The Minister is alluding that everything is going into the highway system because communities are on the road system. That's not the case, I have a number of communities that are isolated and only have access by winter roads and float planes.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I agree, Mr. Zoe is correct. However, in my best judgement, the judgement of the department and the input we received from the communities, this is where we priorized the dollars. If there is a specific request from a specific community, we would only be too happy to look at it within the fiscal framework in which we're all operating.
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Thank you. Detail of capital. Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to say, again as I've said about this department before, that I am very pleased with the way the department involves the hunters' and trappers' association in Iqaluit in developing their plans for the beach improvements. The $40,000 -- I believe it was -- that was spent this summer -- which may not seem like a lot of money -- was nonetheless spent with the full advice and involvement of the HTA, I think to great effect. There has now been some significant improvements in sheltering small craft from the high winds that occur -- particularly in the fall season which are aggravated by the high tides which can be over 40 feet -- damage small vessels, which are the livelihood of my constituents.
I want to thank the department, in particular, and the Minister for the good work that was done this summer. I also want to express my gratitude for the monies that have been secured to do major improvements, in future, under the federal infrastructure program. I think it was quite an accomplishment to have secured those funds. I realize they were in jeopardy for a while. I thank the Minister for his efforts and for making sure that the needs of subsistence users in Iqaluit were identified amongst the many priorities and pressures that were upon the Minister.
There is one question I would like to ask about that. I know a statement was made on that issue in this House. Some projects are happening earlier and some are later, and I know that one can't always be at the head of the list, but the projects that are scheduled for completion in 1997...Who knows, I may no longer be a Member of this House in 1997? Who knows, the Minister may no longer be the Minister of Transportation in 1997, heaven forbid. I understand these funds are secured in agreements that have been secured with the federal government. Do I understand that now that they've been announced, and now that the agreements have been signed, that I can assure my constituents that that project of harbour improvements in Iqaluit in the two years leading up to 1997 are secure, are not dependent on annual appropriations in either the federal or territorial government, but are in fact commitments that my constituents can reply on and patiently wait to unfold? Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Technically, they would be subject to annual appropriations. Maybe it would be a lot easier for everybody because Mr. Antoine raised the issue earlier today that I could table the agreement between the federal government and the territorial government so you can see the conditions in which these dollars were assigned.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
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The Chair John Ningark
Detail of capital. Mr. Antoine.
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to say something about this area. I think I missed it, it was under community access roads. I just want to mention that Jean Marie River still wants to be included. In previous years, Jean Marie River had their own line in this section to build an access road to the highway. Last year it was taken out, and I'm told it's in the community access roads. I just wanted to ask the Minister if they're still included in the community access roads' budget.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I want to assure my honourable colleague that it is in the budget. I did make a commitment to him and to the community. There is $200,000 this coming year and we will continue to fund that until such time as the road is complete. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Antoine.