We are very good at coming up with nice-sounding words all the time, about something being unacceptable, but how do you put teeth into things like this. I read, about a year ago, that in 1920 because of a government's desire to have the rule of law imposed in the west part of the Northwest Territories, there were handbills sent around to every camp in slavic writing which said, you shouldn't kill people, it's wrong to kill people, you're not supposed to do that. If you do that, we know that there are punishments. If you do something that's wrong, then you are breaking the law. This one here is much more subtle than that. It's not a question of beating somebody up or stealing something -- because very often there's theft involved -- but it's a question of not treating people with proper dignity, just making use of people when it suits you to have them for a particular purpose. Like dumping kids on them -- I could just send them to the folks, they can look after them without worrying whether it was convenient for them or not. I'm talking about my own community now. I'm not talking about all the places that you visited. These are the kinds of abuses that are much more subtle. How can you say, it's unacceptable for you to just take off and dump your kids on the old folks without

giving them enough food to look after them, or enough money to look after them. It's much more subtle than just physical stuff or breaking the law, like stealing from them that which is rightfully theirs.

With all these recommendations, I can't imagine what a public education program would look like. How would you implement it? Where would it be done? Who would have to go to it? Would it be compulsory that you have to take an education course if you're found to be an abusive person? These words sound good until you look at them and say, how can that work? How are you going to make people take a public education program so that they understand this better. It just sounds good until you analyze it and say, how can this be made real. All the other stuff you can do something about. If someone is beaten up, that's obviously against the law. You can get charged for it. It's the same thing for stealing or if you kill somebody. It's against the law. But, all this other more subtle stuff is much, much different. I'm just wondering whether a lot of our recommendations are going to be no more than just nice-sounding words that you really can't do much to enforce, or will they make changes in our society that will make the difference.

I've got nothing against a lot of these recommendations, but every time I see one I want to look at the words to see if it could make a difference. Could it result in change? That's my problem with most of the recommendations that I'm reading. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.