Thank you. Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, the boards are generally funded to do that work already, with their own planning. It is not something that normally comes up when we get to the specific projects and then we begin to fund those specific projects. General planning and looking at what the needs are in terms of school population, the potential for growth, with information that is gathered or, for that matter, funding under the formulas to those schools.

Thank you. Headquarters, total region, $135,000.

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Fort Smith, total region, $5.034 million. Mr. Gargan.

Just one concern. I don't want to say anything about what's going to be the capital estimates for this fiscal year. I want to also look at the future years' anticipated capital which is over $12 million. Somewhere in there under the five year capital plan, there are also capital allocations for the renovations of the Fort Providence school and the adult ed that is now too small.

I would hope that if we look at next year's budget, this budget will probably go up quite a bit and that would mean then that other regions are going to be left out, perhaps. I want to make sure that in their allocations the need in Providence is quite reasonable but it is quite high too, and it's going to have an impact on the Fort Smith region by itself.

I'm saying that if it so happens that there is quite a large allocation to the Fort Smith region, that it is not at the expense of Fort Providence.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, again it is advice that is being given by the honourable Member. Just to note that in future planning, for instance in the Arctic College programming, 1995-96 I believe is the planning money for a facility in Fort Providence, and 1996-97 is the actual construction for that particular building.

Thank you. Fort Smith, total region, $5.034 million. Mr. Dent.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. A little over $10 million for the combination.

Agreed.

---Agreed

Thank you. Inuvik, total region, $1.934 million. Mr. Koe.

Yes, I notice school additions in different communities here but I'm aware that there are plans for grade extensions in the Delta, Aklavik, Fort McPherson and Tuktoyaktuk, but there are no capital monies going in for any additions or renovations to the existing schools. What are the plans to accommodate school additions in the Delta/Beaufort communities?

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's good of the honourable Member to take care of my constituency. Mr. Chairman, I want to say this, and it's a point I made here earlier. Extension of school programming doesn't necessarily mean expansion to schools. The problem with the suggestion of extension is that somehow there is a misconception that there's an automatic addition to schools. That's not necessarily the case.

What needs to be done -- it was a point I made earlier -- is that there needs to be a program plan which addresses the program needs, both in terms of the financial resources, the human resources, student accommodation and program accommodation. Once that is done we can indicate whether there is a requirement on our part to consider additional space and accommodation, more additions to the school, to meet the increasing grades in those schools. Until those are done it becomes very difficult to suggest that there's a need for extension.

Another issue is that there may be space in the schools already that are not being used but, for instance, are being used in adult programming which can be utilized for high school programming and needs to be renovated as such. The question then is, how do we accommodate the adult Arctic College programming? We have to work with the community to address those particular needs. That's the way in which we are dealing with it right now. There are other renovations.

The unfortunate problem we have across the north, while the honourable Member may not recognize this fact, is that Aklavik and McPherson, in terms of major renovations, had to be moved back so we could accommodate some of the more serious problems of population growth in other communities such as Igloolik, Arviat or Coral Harbour. Those were the issues that we were concerned about.

I may suffer politically, but I think from a management perspective it's the right decision to make. If we're always looking for money just to build in our communities, we are certainly not going to address the immediate needs of the student growth in some of the more serious problem areas. I made mention of this issue because it is something that has to be considered when we all plan for capital expenditures in education.

As it is -- I mentioned this before -- we are very short of funding in this area despite the fact that we've indicated a priority here. It seems that there has been no major increase in education, nor is there any direction given for that to occur.

Thank you. Mr. Koe.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm not intending to do all the political work for my honourable colleague, but there's an impact within the region and that's why I'm raising this. My concern is one that was raised earlier. Who is doing the studies? Who is doing the work? Does the Beaufort/Delta Divisional Board of Education have funds and are they doing the studies? It has a major impact on the schools and the residence in Inuvik. That's why I'm raising it.

Thank you. Inuvik, total region. I'm sorry, Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under the schooling policy there's a requirement on the part of the boards to develop their plans to meet the needs of grade extensions or, in fact, address the problem areas where we have reductions in student populations. For instance, in Inuvik that could cause problems or could provide for additional space that could be utilized for other program areas.