(Microphone turned off)...on Baker Lake, there is no question about that. There seems to be many people in southern Canada who are taking exception to the Baker Lake Arts and Crafts Centre. As far as our marketing strategy and what kind of reception it is receiving, it seems to be working. I think I have said before that at the end of this calendar year, which is 1993, we should be able to put some data together on how we are doing. From what I am hearing myself as I travel around, production seems to be on the rise and that indicates to me that we are managing to sell those products. I think initial indications are that we are beginning to move some of those arts and crafts out of the Northwest Territories. We are not moving enough, I want to tell you that, but it is starting to pick up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Koe.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think we are all aware that arts and crafts are one of our stable industries, especially the area of Inuit art. It is a growth area in terms of fine arts. There are many painters and many fine, fine artists; there are jewellers and other arts and crafts businesses and entrepreneurs developing. Last year, I think it is this department or through some of the financing sources, the source of monies to the Northwest Territories arts and crafts council was reduced. Does this department provide any financial resources to the arts and crafts council?

Thank you, Mr. Minister.

Not to our knowledge, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

Thank you. Business development, Mr. Koe.

If you are not providing any financial resources, you have, just quickly running here, seven, eight, nine, nine PYs in the two arts and crafts sub-activities. Arts and crafts development and product development. Do any of these PY's provide direct support to the arts and crafts council? They do many good things. They coordinate, set up and establish many art shows and festivals across the Northwest Territories and they attract a great deal of international attention. I was wondering what type of support this department is providing to them?

Thank you, Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, either through E.D.A. or through our contribution agreements, we have assisted people to go to those kinds of shows, et cetera. If the arts and crafts council wants to make application to us directly they can do that. I would stress though, Mr. Chairman, that we are trying to stay at the actual production of arts and crafts and the marketing of arts and crafts, the physical hands on, get it made and sold. If the arts and crafts council was looking at some kind of show or doing some more marketing, we would certainly be willing to sit down and talk to them about it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Koe.

In terms of arts and crafts and production, there is still a need throughout the territories for workshops and for places for people to produce other than their homes. I know most producers work out of their kitchen or porch. On our last trip, especially to Lake Harbour, people were working outside and it was 45 below and you have carvers standing outside, the wind is blowing and they are carving away. Is the department doing anything to assist, where there is a large group of producers in a community, to get them good facilities to work out of?

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, there are funds available under EDA this year for that specific purpose. People will be able to apply to EDA for assistance to enable them to set up various kinds of facilities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. Mr. Koe.

Is it for individuals or do they have to form a co-op or group of people? It does not make sense for one person to build a workshop, but if there are ten people in a community can they join forces and apply for funding for a workshop?

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Mr. Chairman, if there is going to be something done in a community, I would prefer if it was a group of people who got together so we could make multiple use of a particular building as opposed to one person wanting one workshop. I think we are interested more in the collective than in the singular. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. Mr. Koe.

I hope your staff in the regions are aware of that and working to develop these types of co-ops, groups of people. In terms of marketing, I see one of your objectives is to implement marketing plans for NWT arts and crafts products in Europe, associated with the opportunities identified during participation at Expo 1992 with a view to generating $500,000 in new sales. That is a fairly straightforward objective. I wonder how certain you are of doing this and how are you going to measure the $500,000 in new sales?

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

If you do not set goals you will never attain them, Mr. Chairman. It is a goal. Because of Expo we have made more contacts in Spain, Italy and Europe, in general. We are hoping, in fact, one of the consultants which was working for us has formed a new company over there that is going to be dealing with arts and handicrafts from the Northwest Territories. That is what we have been told is a reasonable number to try to shoot for in this particular year. How will we monitor it? We know these people and when they come to purchase, whether it is from us or from the co-op in Winnipeg, they generally let us know what they are doing and

how much their sales are. So we will do it by monitoring these individuals and seeing what the results are, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Koe.

What is the status of the development, or where are we with the establishment of the kiosk in the Toronto airport to market arts and crafts?

Thank you. Mr. Minister.