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Committee Motion 112-12(3): To Amend Clause 2 Of Bill 5
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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. We shall continue with Bill 17, Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94. Government Services and Public Works can be found on page 9. Is the Minister responsible prepared to give his opening remarks?

Department of Government Services And Public Works, Introductory Remarks

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to present the 1993-94 Main Estimates for the Department of Government Services and Public Works. The proposed O and M budget is $124.9 million and 517 person years. The department also manages $73 million through one charge back account and three revolving funds. An estimated $22 million will be generated in revenue.

This budget represents a decrease of $13.6 million and 35 person years from the main estimates for the two departments in the previous fiscal year.

Through the budget reduction exercise, $3.2 million and 21 person years were cut. Consolidation of the departments yielded $835,000 and 11.8 person years.

The expenditure reduction exercise has projected a decrease of $10.1 million in utilities, much of which would be a result of the implementation of the long-term housing strategy. This will now be reduced. Consolidation will be completed in 1993-94 with some minor organizational changes. Planning for the decentralization of the petroleum products division to Rankin Inlet and Fort Simpson is well under way.

Mr. Chairman, the department has a broad mandate and, including management of capital projects, manages over 18 per cent of the GNWT's budget. These expenditures are in support of the delivery of all programs of this government, through a range of services to departments, boards, agencies and communities. With employees in 48 communities, we ensure, for example, that school, health and recreation facilities are constructed efficiently and maintained in good working order for all NWT residents. In short, the department takes care of many background support functions that allow governments, both territorial and municipal, to focus their energies on the delivery of good programs.

In providing these services, the department is contributing to the development of a vibrant northern economy. Not only are skills being acquired by residents, but new northern businesses are being established. For example, in our leasing program fully 90 per cent of the budget, or $32 million, goes to northern companies each year.

In maintaining our buildings, works, vehicles and equipment, $30 million goes to northern people through direct employment and contracts with private companies. The department also manages about $80 million in capital, with more than 80 per cent of those expenditures going to northern companies.

Mr. Chairman, a number of new objectives have been included in these estimates. I would like to mention a few at this time.

The first year for the new training in construction strategy will be in 1993-94, being prepared with Education and the Housing Corporation. This strategy is nearing completion and will be presented to Cabinet very shortly.

Working with the Department of Economic Development and Tourism, we are preparing procedures to promote the development of northern manufacturing. We will be taking a more active approach to identify and support import replacement opportunities.

In support of the community transfer initiative, a departmental steering committee has been established to direct the development of clear and comprehensive cost and service level information. Staff have participated in workshops in several communities and the transfer of the Norman Wells gas system is under way.

The department is working with Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, Transportation and Economic Development and Tourism to review annual re-supply procedures. We believe the amount of work that goes to northern businesses can be increased, while reducing costs.

Several months have passed since the business incentive policy was revised. I believe the revised policy has been effective in ensuring that government dollars go to northerners. Valuable experience has been gained in using the policy. As a result, in April, I will be recommending changes to the directive to fine tune some of its provisions. We will also be working with the Department of Finance to develop an information system to allow better tracking of costs and benefits from northern preference.

Mr. Chairman, 231, or 36 per cent of the department's staff are indigenous aboriginal. One hundred and fifty eight of these people are employed in the labour and trades groups, including trades foremen and area maintenance officers. We also are training 36 native apprentices. There are 22 women in non-traditional occupations. In addition, women occupy two of the 11 director positions in headquarters.

The department has taken a number of steps aimed at increasing these numbers. For example, in conjunction with MACA, Transportation and the Housing Corporation, we co-sponsor a program that introduces 15 to 20 northern high school students to technical careers each summer. They take part in instruction and workshops, then they return to their home communities for a summer of on-the-job training. The department hires a number of northern post-secondary students for summer jobs. Last year, more students were hired for shorter time periods, in order to spread the opportunities to a larger number of students.

A $75,000 affirmative action fund provides special assistance to employees to attend courses and other skill improvement opportunities. In addition, several students are supported in their efforts at post-secondary training. In 1993-94, we will review our progress and produce a revised affirmative action plan.

Internal information procedures are being improved in order to track performance and provide data as required for the new performance indicators established this year.

An extensive review of the government's office standards and inventory has been completed. As requested by SCOF during its review of capital budgets, a strategy for office space is being prepared and will be sent to the FMB very shortly.

Finally, the department is preparing a plan to transfer responsibilities for staff housing to the Housing Corporation. It is intended that the transfer will be complete by April 1, 1994, and will result in better coordination of territorial housing programs.

In closing, Mr. Chairman, I would like to state my priorities for the coming year:

1. implementing the training in construction strategy;

2. revising the business incentive policy;

3. enhancing manufacturing in the north;

4. establishing an affirmative action program to enhance training of northerners for employment within the department; and,

5. contributing to the community transfer initiative.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. On behalf of the Standing Committee on Finance, Mr. Dent.

Comments By Standing Committee On Finance

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Department responsible for Government Services and Public Works has done a good job of setting objectives, following the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Finance and achieving a large 13 per cent budget reduction.

However, this is the third largest department of government with a budget of $125 million. The department does not directly serve the public. It reflects the cost of government.

Money saved in the running of government can be redirected into important high priority programs such as housing and education. The committee will continue to urge the department to improve programs and services aimed at cutting the cost of government. It is important to note that a modest one per cent cost reduction in this department's budget would free up $1.250 million.

In an effort to better control costs, the department should consider the following:

1. charging departments and agencies for all services rendered to them, for example, lease costs, purchasing services, et cetera, and holding them accountable for making reductions. This would be similar to the charge back system for computer services.

2. charging the full cost of petroleum products while offering subsidies to home owners and small business, similar to the system used by the NWT Power Corporation. This system would result in increased revenues from non-subsidized organizations.

Mr. Chairman, the committee has one recommendation which I would like to put forward in the form of a motion.

Committee Motion 113-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation 9
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

I move, this committee recommends that the Department of Government Services and Public Works assess the feasibility of consolidating design, construction, engineering and architectural services through government. Further, the department should identify opportunities for increasing the degree of privatization in these areas.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

Question.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Does that conclude your report, Mr. Dent?

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Yes, Mr. Chairman, that concludes the remarks from the Standing Committee on Finance.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Minister, the committee Members have requested a short break. When we return, if the Minister wishes to bring witnesses to the witness table he may.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

The committee will now come back to order. Mr. Minister, are you prepared to have your witnesses assist you at the witness table?

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The Sergeant-at-Arms will assist the Minister in escorting the witnesses to the witness table. For the record, Mr. Minister, would you introduce your witnesses to the committee, please?

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my left is Mr. Bob Doherty, the deputy minister of Government Services and Public Works. To my right is Dave Taylor. He is the acting director of the finance division.

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Welcome, gentlemen. Are there any general comments? Mr. Arvaluk.

General Comments

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James Arvaluk Aivilik

The only concern I have with the Department of Government Services is that there seems to be a lack of coordination between the regions and the communities. I think it will be very important for the purpose of saving money for Government Services to keep the stock inventory as clear as possible. What is not needed in the communities should be transferred elsewhere on a seasonal basis. What is being short all the time should also be taken as a part of the priority. Sometimes, when the school breaks down, the local warehouse is not ready to respond to it, especially during a storm in the middle of the night. Those kinds of things happen. That is the only comment I would like to make on this, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk. Are there any general comments? Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are government buildings under Public Works and from time to time, that have to be disposed of. Mr. Chairman, when that time comes, there are community groups such as women's groups, HTAs and day care centres, that need the building, how are those buildings disposed of? Is it through the Cabinet? Is it through the regional headquarters? Does the government have any policy whereby the community groups should be priority to be given those buildings because they need some for their own programs and services, which are required by the community? Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Minister.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The normal procedure is that you ask the community hamlet or settlement council if they have any use for it. If it is under $50,000, I have the authority to dispose of it without going to Cabinet. If it is over $50,000, it goes to Cabinet. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister provide Members with the buildings that were disposed of during the last five years, how and who received those buildings, if it is not too much trouble? Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Mr. Minister.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes.