This is page numbers 1091 - 1120 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was housing.

Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement today I raised issues related to the implementation of the long-term government staff housing strategy. A motion was passed in this Assembly on March 11, 1993, giving direction to the government on implementation of the strategy. However, it seems that the government has ignored some of our recommendations and wrote a letter to all tenants on March 17 outlining what their implementation plan is. Mr. Speaker, the MLAs were not even given a copy of this letter, nor were they notified of the implementation strategy. My question to the Minister of Personnel is, when does the Minister intend to officially notify this House on their response to Motion 81-12(3)?

Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it appears we may have had a misunderstanding. When the strategy was discussed and debated in committee of the whole on March 11, just prior to the vote taking place, I responded to the motion and indicated at that time to the Members of the Legislature that as a Cabinet we had discussed some of the concerns which had been shared with us from the ordinary Members in earlier discussions that week. As a result, I was prepared to make some amendments to the strategy. This was to reflect a definitive Cabinet position in response to the debate. The comments I made at that time are contained in Hansard and I will go through them rather quickly.

First of all, we agreed the strategy should be implemented over a longer period of time. We were concerned and did not agree that we should establish another steering committee, but I supported the idea of keeping MLAs informed, perhaps, by designating two MLAs to keep in touch with me and to work with them on an informal basis, to work through problems as they arose. Once we dealt with the motion and changes to the strategy, the matter should be handed over to officials to manage within the rules which we set. I indicated that officials would be directed to start rental increases on August 1, 1993, with further increases over the following two years until full rents are reached on August 1, 1995. Our calculations indicated an increase of 15 per cent per year to base rents would be required to equalize the three increases. Rental increases would only be applied to base rents which do not include utility charge costs and that was a change from the original package as we had proposed. We felt the 15 per cent on base rent was, in fact, a better deal with less impact than the 10 per cent on the full rent, as proposed by the Members. We suggested that we would introduce the standard accommodation allowance to all level III communities this year. We would, after calculating a 15 per cent rent increase to the rents of the people in the level III communities, add that on to the base rent and then add the other base rents back on it, plus the $450 and introduce the standard accommodation allowance, just so there is not such a large gap in the level of rents. We went on to suggest that all staff units will have an energy audit to be assessed for sale. In cases where the fuel or electrical bills, for instance, are unusually high we would go in and ensure that it would either be repaired or the rent would be lowered in a manner which would be fair. I indicated those were being made to meet the spirit of the motion.

I regret that the Member misunderstood what the intent of my comments were, but it was to meet clearly the demands of the motion. We did not meet all of them, but that was the extent to which Cabinet was prepared to go. Thank you.

Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Koe.

Supplementary To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I was not 100 per cent certain that the comments you made on that date, March 11, were the official position, since in your preamble you stated, "We are prepared to make some amendments to the strategy which is called for in the proposed motion in which the Members are going to vote on." No amendments were officially proposed at that time. Then, you proceeded with the statements which you just quoted. I am a little confused and so are tenants as to what the official position is. One of the items in the motion passed by this Assembly, and you alluded to it, was that a working group be established to oversee and advise the government and report in the next and future sessions of the Assembly. Will the Minister be establishing a working group as per Motion 81-12(3)?

Supplementary To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the record, the changes that I indicated in my response to the motion on March 11 have been approved by Cabinet. The changes are a reflection of Cabinet position. We had no intention to set up another working group to oversee the implementation of this strategy. We felt that perhaps it is time for officials to get on with carrying out the work as set out by the Legislature and Cabinet, but I would be prepared to work with MLAs or a couple of designated MLAs who may want to take on the responsibility of keeping their fellow MLAs involved and informed over the next few months. I know the intensive work load of Cabinet and MLAs and the increase in limited resources we have. The Cabinet and I felt that it is not feasible to set up a formal working group. However, we would be prepared to work with a couple of MLAs on an informal basis.

Further Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Koe.

Supplementary To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Many times the Minister has stated that he will keep MLAs informed and will talk to MLAs on this issue, yet on March 17, a letter was sent to tenants with much detail on all aspects of the implementation strategy and we as MLAs were not even given the courtesy of being informed or given a copy of this letter. Why were MLAs not informed or given copies of the implementation strategy, the details which were passed out to tenants?

Supplementary To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there was no attempt to deliberately not inform MLAs, it was my understanding that the debate, the subsequent motion and the response to the public and the tenants gave some finality to this issue. It was my view that the issue was largely resolved, to continue to debate and seek further changes to this strategy at this time would become counterproductive and continue the unease and instability which some of the employees felt at the time. The information in the letter which the Member has referred to has not gone out yet. I think it is being drafted to go out. There is an update which was intended for employees to apprise them of what changes have occurred as a result of the debate on March 11.

Further Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Koe.

Supplementary To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One other item which was in the motion passed by this Assembly was that the NWT property tax rebate be reinstated at $400 per year. In the Minister's response if it is the official position of the Cabinet, no mention was made to this item. Can the Minister please advise us as to their official position on this issue?

Supplementary To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

Further Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the issue of the tax rebate was one that arose in the course of discussions by MLAs in the latter part of the debate in the back room. As the Minister of Personnel, I could not find a way, in the few days I had, to rationalize how it tied into the staff housing strategy. So, I had no mandate from the Cabinet to respond to it. That was the reason. It was not directly or easily tied into the

housing strategy and the elements which we had set out at that time.

Further Return To Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Question 561-12(3): Response To Committee Motion 81-12(3) Re Staff Housing Strategy
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Patterson.

Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

March 22nd, 1993

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to Mr. Koe's questions, some of my constituents have received a letter dated March 17 signed by Ken Lovely, deputy minister of Personnel, with a seven page attachment outlining adjustments to the long-term staff housing strategy which I will table later today. Mr. Speaker, one of the concerns which was expressed in the motion before this House earlier in committee of the whole was about the legality of the actions being taken by the Department of Personnel, whether they were acting in accordance with the Residential Tenancies Act. The letter from Mr. Lovely refers to the Landlord Tenants Act and that notices will conform to the format set out in the Landlord Tenants Act. Mr. Speaker, in searching the statutes of this Assembly I cannot find any reference to the Landlord Tenants Act except reference to an act that was repealed in 1987. I would like to ask the Minister of Personnel, since this act is repealed and it is referred to in the deputy minister's letter of March 17, 1993, which legislation is the Department of Personnel using in determining its legal obligations as a landlord to its tenants? Thank you.

Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Residential Tenancies Act.

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Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Patterson.

Supplementary To Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is obviously a major error in the information which has been given out to my constituents about this policy, Mr. Speaker, because it refers to an act which does not exist. Mr. Speaker, this same letter also repeats earlier statements in documents tabled by the Minister that tenants will get a rent increase effective August 1, and that if they do not agree to sign a new lease, they will then have an electrical charge added to their rent which reflects average community consumption at the higher rate per kilowatt hour which the government is obliged to pay. I think the Minister has seen a legal opinion that was provided to me through the offices of the law clerk which indicates that it would be illegal to make more than two rent changes in a year. I wonder if the Minister could tell me whether this legal opinion has been taken into account in the drafting of the letter of March 17, 1993, which seems to propose two rent increases in a year, contrary to the Residential Tenancies Act? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

According to our rules, that particular question asks the Minister for his interpretation of a legal opinion and is not proper under our rules, Mr. Patterson. Would you like to re-phrase that question? Mr. Patterson.

Supplementary To Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I will ask it as a written question. Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Question 562-12(3): Legislation Used Re Staff Housing
Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell.

Question 563-12(3): Responses To Outstanding Oral Questions
Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Government Leader. Since the Members are hoping to conclude the budget by the end of the month and hope that the session can come to a conclusion fairly quickly, there are a number of outstanding questions posed to the government to various Ministers which remain unanswered today. Would the Government Leader make every effort on behalf of the government to reply to the outstanding oral questions, perhaps by the end of the week if at all possible? Thank you.