Just to make it very clear, Mr. Chairman, I have a concern about the development of another level of bureaucracy around an ombudsman. Whether it is a Cabinet or committee Members, each Member should have the right to ask questions and not have someone become defensive about it. I do not get defensive when you slaughter me with questions. The only thing I am concerned about is when you went out to the communities, it was a big issue before, it did not come through after a great deal of debate and it went to the general public and I did not see many people who were that interested. It might be like Mr. Dent is saying, people thought it was going to be dealt with so they did not show up. Perhaps that is true.

I see the same people here that were here before, and no new people jumped on the support system. I have no problem with the access to information, but it is the building on of that I have a concern about. Right now we spend a great deal of time putting out information, and I have no problem with that. I did not think receiving information was a problem. In terms of saying there has to be a more clear line of getting it, I have no problem with. However, to build an ombudsman and a bureaucracy around it, I have a problem with. When I go to a community and deal with the community, often times it is not that the information is not there, if a person is sitting in a community and they know there is a program available, the information is right there, but they do not have anyone to go and talk to. Sometimes the hamlet wants it, and it is not that the information is not available, it is they do not know whether it exists or not. It does not mean you need legislation to get it, but maybe it is to provide training or community development people, training the employment officers and offering them upgrading so they can provide more to the community. I do not think that it is information that is not available. There is no requirement for an institution to service that. There may be places where information is critical and people are wanting that information, but in terms of giving it the highest priority in relation to other things, that is my question to you. People did not go up there and beat the bushes for it. That was a concern I raised. Mr. Chairman, I want to make it clear, you have two areas here. How would you justify making that a priority when people did not show up?