No, Mr. Chairman. What I'm trying to advise the honourable Members is this: for instance, right now, the comparison of in-house costs versus contracting, fully burdened personnel costs of 3.9 PYs is $237,000, less 20 per cent for non-production activities was $47,000, which calculated, including O and M and including $150,000 for studio lease -- or less 20 per cent, I should say -- which was $189,600. O and M, including $150,000 for studio lease and contract was $366,000. Equipment based on the value of $350,000, depreciated over 10 years was $35,000, for a total cost of $509,600.

The number of shows -- 26 -- the average cost was $22,712 for the department. For private sector cost, the estimated costs for 26 episodes was $1,384,812. The estimated cost per show was $53,262.

If you look at the cost increase to government, we would require an additional $794,212. Just so that you're aware of that. Still we wish to carry out the advice of my colleagues. But I just wanted you to be aware about two things. One, we did try to carry out the advice that was given and we continue to do it, but I wanted you to be aware that these were additional costs that were associated.

We do still have arrangements with IBC whenever we think there's a need for them, and, in fact, in cases we'll call directly for proposals from those organizations.