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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Nerysoo. The chair continues to recognize Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister, in advising how some funds were allocated, indicated that it was done by formula. According to unedited Hansard, that formula was: those not employed in the community, divided by not employed in the NWT, times $3.5 million.

So, Mr. Chairman, I went to the unemployment figures that are found in the 1994 labour force survey, report number one, and examined the number of unemployed residents in communities and compared that to the allocations for the communities. I found that the allocation per unemployed person in a community ranges from a low of $1,300 per unemployed person to a high of $10,000 per unemployed person.

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An Hon. Member

Wow!

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

I wondered if the Minister could explain the formula better. Perhaps there's a misunderstanding in Hansard. If there was indeed a formula used, I'm having trouble understanding how we could have that big a range in the program.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Mr. Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. Just so that we're clear, the formula was not something that I established as the Minister. The formula was established by the Financial Management Board Secretariat as part of the calculations. The other thing that one has to realize is that, irrespective of the formula, what we were trying to do was make certain that there was at least a fair distribution in all the communities that exist in the Northwest Territories. So, as a result of that, there was a sharing of an additional $336,000 with the smaller communities throughout the Northwest Territories. But I will ask Mr. Gerein to add additional information to this particular issue.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Minister Nerysoo. Mr. Gerein, please.

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Gerein

Mr. Chairman, on behalf of the Minister, we'd be willing, again, to share the entire distribution of resources, which we have with us, on a community-by-community basis, with the committee if they so wished. However, the formula was basically the number of unemployed in the community, divided by the number of unemployed in the NWT, times the number of dollars available. Then there were caps put on the largest allocation and floors put on the smallest allocation, in order that there be an allocation that the communities could work with. It was determined, I believe, that $25,000 was a reasonable amount for any project in the smallest community, and that the largest community would be capped at $500,000 federal, $500,000 territorial, where the tax-based municipalities would have to contribute a further $500,000, thereby getting a project worth $1.5 million. I hope that helps, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Gerein. Mr. Dent, is that the conclusion of your questioning? Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

I guess I'm just still wondering...It seems a bit strange that we have such a huge range. For instance, Pelly Bay, according to the figures I have, got $1,198 per unemployed person, Fort Liard got $1,258 per unemployed person who lives there. Like I said, it goes up to as high as $10,000 per unemployed person in Rae Lakes. I was just looking for an explanation. I think I may have to follow up on this in another forum, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. We will return to the capital expenditure book. Department summary, capital expenditures. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask a couple of questions of the Minister before we conclude the department in relation to capital. Mr. Chairman, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has done a review of the Dogrib Divisional Board of Education programs and operations this last year. They've recommended, through their review, under section 1.2.3, under item 9 that the Dogrib Divisional Board should consider relocating its office to Rae so the public can have better access to the board offices and staff.

It is my understanding that the Dogrib Divisional Board of Education has agreed with this review. I know they've written to the Minister suggesting that the move should now be incorporated into the Dogrib Divisional Board of Education's capital plan. I wonder if the Minister could comment on that, Mr. Chairman.

Secondly, I would like to raise the issue of health services. Mr. Chairman, in the current year, 1994-95, in the capital budget, the department has replaced the school in Snare Lake. I know the divisional board has made numerous requests through my office, directly to the Minister and directly to the Minister responsible for Government Services, that health services should be provided, particularly in that school so they can link with other schools in what I think is called, the computer-based north of 60 bulletin board system. They want to tie into that.

Because we don't have adequate telephone services in that community, the divisional board is asking the Minister's office to assist them in convincing his colleague in Government Services to resolve this issue very quickly. Again, it is related to the capital budget, so I want to ask the Minister if he could comment on the two requests made by the Dogrib Divisional Board of Education .

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Minister Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First on the issue of the telephone system. That is not really our responsibility at this juncture. While we have been key in dealing with the technological side, including video telecommunications and developing distance learning, we have other partners. The actual decision to introduce telephone services does not rest with this government. It is a matter that has to be dealt with with NorthwesTel.

For the first part of your question, I'm not sure if it was from the board review. Is that were it comes from? There has to be a board review. The issue has to be dealt with, with the board, if it's a board review. We have to get some indication about what you're referring to so we can be more specific. If it is a board review, then it is something that has to be dealt with, with the divisional board.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. The chair continues to recognize the Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Mr. Chairman, the correspondence that was sent to the Minister is dated October 7th. In that letter, it states, "It should be noted that your own department also made a similar recommendation in the 1994 Education, Culture and Employment review of our board's programs and operations, section 1.2.3, item 9, which reads: 'The board should consider relocating its offices to Rae, where the public would have greater access to the board offices and staff.'"

The Dogrib Board of Education has reviewed this report that was done by your department and they concur with the recommendation that their offices should be moved to Rae. They are currently in the wing of the high school. They want to start using the resident's wing of the school for students. I think the request is reasonable. The suggestion is that the administrative office be relocated from Edzo to Rae. I think that request has gone to the Minister and I'm just wondering if it is going to be included in future capital plans of the department?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Minister Nerysoo.

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

I won't debate the issue, Mr. Chairman. I will have to go back and look at that. My officials here say that that report was an independent assessment. We participated in it, but it is an independent review. It is not the department's agreement at this time. We have to review the report before we make final conclusions.

The letter that was sent to me was from John B. Zoe, who is the chair of the board, and he requests that we consider it. I think that before I do, I have to review the capital plan for that region. That has to be a consideration in any future capital planning.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Zoe is concluded. Total capital expenditure, $35.111 million.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair Tony Whitford

We have agreement. Does the committee agree that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is concluded?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

I would like to thank the committee, the Minister and his staff for assisting the committee in dealing with these matters.

Bill 5: Mine Health And Safety Act
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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

I'm just giving the Minister and his witnesses a chance to leave the witness chair. The instructions were to proceed, if there was time, with Bill 5, Mine Health and Safety Act. Bill 5 you will find in your green binders under tab 5. Bill 5, Mine Health and Safety Act. Is the Minister prepared to make his opening comments on this bill? Minister responsible, Mr. Nerysoo.

Minister's Introductory Remarks

Bill 5: Mine Health And Safety Act
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to introduce Bill 5, the Mine Health and Safety Act. The preparation of the bill is the result of three years of hard work by not only the staff in my department, but also by those who participated in the process from the mining industry, both labour and management. I would like to sincerely thank the Standing Committee on Legislation for the excellent advice and support that Members gave me personally with respect to the conduct of this bill. I also would like to thank the Mine Occupational Health and Safety Board for their valuable recommendations.

First of all, I want to emphasize the responsibility of our government to represent the public interest in mine occupational health and safety legislation. This is achieved by having standards of worksite safety which minimize the human suffering and public expenditures associated with accidents and industrial disease.

Mr. Chairman, this bill is markedly different from the present Mining Safety Act and regulations which has been criticized as being both antiquated and unwieldy. The structure and content of the new bill reflects recommendations made over the years by special commissions, coroners' inquests and a long list of accident investigation reports. In addition, this bill has been written so as to be readable, understandable and accessible to all persons.

Mr. Chairman, Bill 5 sets out clearly the responsibility of all persons engaged in mining whether owner, management, supervisor, employee, contractor or mine inspector. Unlike the existing Mining Safety Act, this bill also provides for the establishment of occupational health and safety committees for mines, and sets out the responsibility of the committees to conduct worksite inspections and to participate in inspections conducted by inspectors.

The new bill clearly describes the right of an employee to refuse to perform any work or operate equipment which may endanger the health and safety of the employee or any other person. This right is clearly supported by a further provision that prevents discrimination against any employee who exercises the right to refuse.

Furthermore, the bill sets out the powers of inspectors to inspect or search a mine and the duties of persons at a mine to cooperate with an inspection or a search.

In closing, Mr. Chairman, the new Mine Health and Safety Act contains many changes too numerous to mention in these opening remarks. I and my officials will be pleased to answer any questions you may have as we proceed with the clause-by-clause review of the bill.

Mr. Chairman, I also want to thank again, the Standing Committee on Legislation for their advice. While at the time, I may have thought it may be difficult, I think from the changes that we've made and the idea of setting up a totally new board we were able to successfully conclude the matter. Thank you.