Thank you, Madam Premier. Mr. Zoe.
Debates of Oct. 25th, 1994
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Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Page 512
Henry Zoe North Slave
Thank you. In that case, Mr. Chairman, I would kindly request that I will be anxiously waiting for this information. Therefore, I will move that the chair reports progress.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Page 512
The Chair Tony Whitford
We have a motion to report progress. The motion is not debatable. The motion is in order. We have a point of order. Mr. Pudluk.
Point Of Order
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Ludy Pudluk High Arctic
Earlier, there was a motion to complete this department, and now there is a motion to report progress. It should be out of order because we didn't finish this department yet.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Pudluk. I understand from the Clerk, that according to parliamentary rules -- we were just looking it up -- that there's been an intermediate proceeding. Other business has taken place and so the motion to report progress supersedes the previous motion to continue. So the motion is in order, and the chairman will now request...Mr. Pollard.
Point Of Order
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Chairman, if I'm not mistaken, the motion was specific, to complete the Department of Health and Social Services.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Mr. Pollard, I'm afraid you don't have a point of order. My advice is that business has transpired and it supersedes the previous motion, according to the book. We have a motion on the floor to report progress. Now, you may defeat this motion if you so choose. There seems to be a quorum now. We have a motion on the floor to report progress.
Oh, I'm going to earn my money today. We have another point of order. This is the third one. Mr. Pudluk.
Point Of Order
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Ludy Pudluk High Arctic
I challenge your ruling.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Tony Whitford
My decision has been challenged by an honourable Member, and I shall now go to see the Speaker and ask for a ruling from the Speaker on this matter. So we shall take a break.
Thank you, witnesses. It's not a break. I shall rise and inform the Speaker that there's been a challenge.
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Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Whitford.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, while you were away, your committee was discussing the Department of Health and Social Services capital budget. And, there was a motion to extend the sitting time to conclude the matter on the table at the time, the summary of capital expenditures. The motion was carried and the business proceeded. A considerable amount of business transpired, around 35 minutes of debate.
After a period of time, there was a motion by Mr. Zoe to report progress. I ruled that the motion to report progress was in order. My ruling was then challenged by the honourable Member for High Arctic, Mr. Pudluk, after which time I rose to seek your advice on the challenge.
Speaker's Ruling
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thank you. In reviewing the ruling, I identified rule 6.1 in the rules of the Legislative Assembly's rule book regarding the sitting of the Assembly. I understand that prior to 6:00 pm, a Member proposed a motion without notice in the Assembly, to continue beyond sitting hours for the purpose of continuing consideration of a specified item of business subject to the following conditions.
However, when you look at rule 6.2 the motion was regarding the business then being considered. I recognize that the motion was made in order to conclude the item of the day. However, if you look at our rules under committee of the whole, 84.1, it indicates that a motion that the chair of the committee of the whole leaves the chair to report progress shall always be in order, shall take precedent over any other motion and shall not be debatable.
Therefore, I move that your ruling was in order. Thank you.
---Applause
I will allow you to go back into committee of the whole, with Mr. Whitford in the chair.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Thank you. The committee will now come back to order. There is a motion on the floor to report progress. The motion is not debatable.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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An Hon. Member
Question.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? It is a tie.
---Laughter
The decision of the chair is that he is going to vote against the motion and we are going to continue where we left off. The motion is defeated. It gets complicated. The business at hand is still Health and Social Services. We were reviewing the details of capital on page 12-18. The Minister is again invited to bring her witnesses to the chair.
Thank you, Madam Minister. The witnesses are still Mr. Lovely and Mr. Norwich. Total building and works, $3.320 million. Mr. Zoe.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, we were discussing the issue of a senior citizens' residence in the community of Fort Resolution. The Minister agreed to provide additional information, which she doesn't have on hand. Therefore, I move that we defer the bill until the information is provided to the committee. Thank you.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Mr. Zoe, the motion you made refers to a bill. We are not debating a bill, we are debating the details of the capital budget. Do you wish to rephrase that? Mr. Zoe.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, I will rephrase that. I wasn't making reference to the bill, I meant the item under consideration, which is the Department of Health and Social Services' budget.
Committee Motion 36-12(6): To Adopt Recommendation 4, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Committee Motion 37-12(6): To Defer Department Of Health And Social Services, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, I move that the Department of Health and Social Services be deferred.
Committee Motion 37-12(6): To Defer Department Of Health And Social Services, Carried
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The Chair Tony Whitford
We have a motion to defer the item until later. The motion is in order. To the motion.
Committee Motion 37-12(6): To Defer Department Of Health And Social Services, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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An Hon. Member
Question.
Committee Motion 37-12(6): To Defer Department Of Health And Social Services, Carried
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.
---Carried
Because the previous motion was to extend the hours and this motion to defer has been carried, I shall now rise and report to the Speaker.
I would like to thank the Minister for her assistance to the committee and thank the witnesses for their assistance to the committee. We look forward to seeing you again.
Committee Motion 37-12(6): To Defer Department Of Health And Social Services, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell
I will call the House back to order. Item 20, report of committee of the whole. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Whitford.
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in your absence, your committee has been considering Committee Report 10-12(6) and Bill 1, and would like to report progress, with two motions being adopted and, Madam Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.