The motion is in order. To the motion.

Question.

Question has been called. But I see there is no quorum here. We will ring the bell to bring people in, one by one. Do we have a quorum now? Order, please.

Mr. Whitford, order. There is a motion on the floor and question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Mr. Antoine.

That concludes the Standing Committee on Finance report, Mr. Chairman. Mahsi.

Thank you. Before we get into general comments, I would like to ask the honourable Minister if he would like to bring in his witnesses. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes.

Thank you. Do we have the concurrence of the committee that the honourable Minister bring in his witnesses?

Agreed.

---Agreed

Sergeant-at-Arms, escort the witnesses, please.

Mr. Minister, for the record, would you introduce the witnesses to the committee.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my right is Bob Doherty, the deputy minister, and to my left is Dave Waddell, finance director.

General Comments

Thank you. We are dealing with the 1995-96 capital estimates of the Department of Public Works and Services. We are now on general comments, if there are any. General comments on the budget. Mr. Whitford.

I thank you kindly, Mr. Whitford. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we have been putting money into retrofitting, so there will be a crane on the ship and it will be used for places other than Pelly Bay.

Thank you. General comments from the floor. Mr. Gargan.

Mr. Chairman, with regard to the community training committees. There is one in Providence. I support whatever the community does in the area of training, but the selection is perceived to be blatant patronage of family members. I see that happening in Providence and, of course, other families don't approve of it. When it is so obvious that communities bring it up, I think there is something wrong.

I hope when you create these committees, you take every possible measure so that when selection is made for training programs, you don't have fathers selecting sons for trainees and ignoring the rest of the community.

Thank you. The honourable Minister of Department of Public Works and Services.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the communities what we try to do is get a broad base of representation on the committee. I will assure the Member that we do get a broad base and draw from, for example, the band council, the hamlet council, the Metis association, the community education society and the local employment officer. All of these people should be involved actively in this committee so we can receive proper recommendations on who to train in the community and what projects to work on. Thank you.

Thank you. The honourable Member for Deh Cho.

(Microphone turned off)...of the community. I guess I would also ask how they determined the final outcome of the selection. Was it advertised? Was it on a time frame? Were there deadlines to meet, then interviews were done, and then selections were made on the merit of the interviews? Or, did they just say these people are interested in these areas, and these are the ones who are going to be trained?

Qujannamiik. The honourable Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm not exactly sure how they choose the trainees. What I do know is that the Department of Education is involved with that as well as ourselves. They must be going to a broad base; putting signs up in the community to get as many people interested as possible. I would hope that is how it is being done.

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Ng.

(Microphone turned off)...Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to assure the Member that I will look into his issue and his concern. We will ensure that every person who wants to be trained in Fort Providence will have the opportunity to apply for that training.

Mr. Minister, I think we missed the last part because your microphone was turned off.

I will work with the Minister of Education to ensure those people who want to be trained in Providence have the opportunity to apply.

Thank you. Mr. Gargan.

Okay. I'm interested in finding out exactly how the selection was made, too. My final concern, Mr. Chairman, is regarding projects that are implemented in some communities. I think I brought the situation in Kakisa up with the Minister already. This morning I received a phone call from Kakisa; last weekend, I talked with some of the members from Kakisa; and, about a week ago, I did the same thing. The community is involved with the project that is occurring in

Kakisa, and I appreciate that. But, they don't seem to be consulted about what is happening.

I think they are told to do something and that is it. The community is not aware of the timetable, what the schedule is, or even who is going to be doing the work. It is sort of a day-to-day thing, where one day the project supervisor says they are going to be hiring people from Yellowknife to work on gyprock and the next day they change their story. Community consultation is important in these projects and I hope the people in Kakisa are informed about that project. Of course, the appropriate body would be the band council. I hope they learn what is happening, what the schedules are, what the timetable is and whether there are any changes.

We don't have telephones, but we asked the supervisor to put in telephone outlets so that, in a couple of years, we don't cover the walls with wires because they couldn't be buried. That is the kind of consultation I am referring to. It seems to me, in the last three weeks, the information I've been getting is construction is continuing, but there is hardly any consultation.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you. There are four to six local workers currently on site with this construction management contract that is going on in Kakisa now, with a superintendent. If the superintendent, Maddigan Consulting Ltd, is supplying the construction management, Mr. Gargan, I will make a commitment to you now that my deputy minister will be on the phone tomorrow to tell him to meet with the community and do so weekly from now on.

Also, if he does have people coming in from Yellowknife, he will instruct them to turn around and go back to Yellowknife, because there are adequate people in the community to do this labour. We will do it with local people.

Thank you. General comments. Mr. Pudluk.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to ask a very quick question of the Minister. Mr. Whitford mentioned my concern. Like I was saying, Grise Fiord almost didn't get their supplies this summer because of the ice. I know there will be some construction of fuel storage facilities in some communities. I want to ask the Minister, does Grise Fiord have a one-year supply of fuel or a two-year supply of fuel since you guys have said it will be slated for a tankard, if they could make it to Grise Fiord. Thank you.

Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In all communities it's a one-year supply, Mr. Pudluk. I was listening to your Member's statement the other day in the House and it did raise a concern with me as well: if we're having difficulties getting in, especially to a community like Grise Fiord where that airport is so small -- I've been there -- there would be no way of resupplying fuel if we ran out of fuel. So it is something that should be addressed. Let me assure you that my deputy minister will look into it to come up with a contingency plan, because we cannot have that cost to this government of flying

in fuel or evacuating a community if it runs out of fuel. We should be planning better than that.

I don't know what the problem is with this ice breaker getting in there; maybe the ice is thicker now or something, but it's something that has to be addressed. I thank you for bringing that concern to our attention.

Thank you. Mr. Pudluk.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to thank the Minister for sharing my concern. There will be another problem next year or the year after because some of the old ice is starting to move south from north of Resolute Bay. They call it Ice Island. It's been there for a long time. ...(inaudible)...occupied Ice Island. Last year it was starting to move around and starting to break. Some of it has gone through Resolute Bay. This old ice is starting to pass by those communities.

Resolute Bay always has a two-year supply of fuel from Esso, not this government. For sure, if they run out of fuel, there is no way. Only twin otters fly in there and they can't carry very much fuel. If the Minister would look into my concern, I would appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With the new condition arising up there, I guess old ice means tough ice, which is hard to break. With that coming further south, we have to address that problem. We should plan properly and ensure that we have fuel in our communities and they don't run out. As soon as the department gets back to me on it, I will get in touch with you. Thank you.

Thank you. I would like to apologize to Mr. Ng; I should have recognized you. From here you and Ludy look alike and about the same height. So I should have recognized you, I got confused here. Mr. Ng.

---Laughter

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister, with respect to his opening comments regarding the consultation on the business incentive policy and what type of timetable the department is trying to undertake this consultation in. What type of groups and organizations are they planning to consult with in order to meet the time frame of intending to take the revisions of the policy to Cabinet before the end of the fiscal year? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Consultation will take place from mid-November to mid-January. We should have this thing wrapped up by March, reporting to Cabinet. Also, through this consultation process, we are hiring regional facilitators similar to how we consulted on the NWT Housing Corporation rent scale, but not on such a grand scale. We'll be using facilitators from the regions who are not DPW employees. Our staff will back up those facilitators with technical information. Also, we'll meet as many business

people as possible, as well as having direct meetings with aboriginal land claims groups such as the Sahtu, the Gwich'in, Inuvialuit and Inuit. That's part of their claim; that we meet with them when we have a major change in policy. So it will be done by March, hopefully, if not sooner.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wasn't paying full attention to the Member when he was speaking, so if he can repeat the question a little louder then I'll hear it. Thank you.

Maybe the Minister should use his ear phone. His attention span might be a bit longer.

My question to the Minister was, is it the intention of his department, after Cabinet approves the revisions to the business incentive policy, to have it in place for the next tendering year. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My attention span does quite well, thank you, Mr. Ng. We will be able to amend tenders, as well as we have, through the senior management committee, which he's made amendments to our tenders already. Hopefully, that will close some of the loopholes. But it's going to take some time and the whole new direction probably won't be cleared up until the following tender year.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Coral Harbour community has objected numerous times, after a bad experience with the Foxe Basin contracting company. When the Foxe Basin contracts were awarded again this year for next spring, Coral Harbour really objected to it. But the Minister said, after the awarding, that there's nothing they really can do because Foxe Basin has rectified their defaults, or corrected the mistake they made with respect to the contract work they did in Coral Harbour. Now we heard about one month ago that the Foxe Basin contract in Iqaluit has been terminated. It's the same contractor. I guess my question is, is the Minister still planning to honour that contract they have already awarded for Coral Harbour after they have defaulted that contract work in Iqaluit.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If the Member could be more specific then I might have an idea of what he's talking about. He's saying contracts in Coral Harbour and Iqaluit; are they with the Department of Public Works or with the Housing Corporation? What contracts is he speaking about? Thank you.

Mr. Chairman, I think it was the Housing Corporation in Coral Harbour. I'm not sure what it was in Iqaluit. I'm not sure. It's the same guy, Mr. Jim Little, Foxe Basin, that Coral Harbour was up in arms about. They communicated that to your department. They're not satisfied with the answers yet but the only thing they could be satisfied with was the contractor has corrected the situation. Now it's been defaulted. Maybe it's the Housing Corporation. If so, then I will wait, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's not within my knowledge or my deputy minister's knowledge that Foxe Basin has any contracts with DPW. If the Member could wait until the NWT Housing Corporation's budget comes up, maybe then I could respond because that's a different briefing book. Thanks.

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. I have to commend the Department of Public Works and Services and the Minister on their building and learning strategy, which I think is a very good way to help the communities and develop the human resources in a community. That is in conjunction with the NWT Housing Corporation and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment; they are due some credit as well. I think it was a joint venture between these departments to help the communities build their infrastructure as well as train the people there. It's a very good way to do it and I would like to encourage them to continue in that way. We've done that in some of the communities I represent.

It went very well last year in Trout Lake and was successful this year. We're doing a project similar to that in Nahanni Butte as well. As far as I'm aware, they're building a community centre there with an outside contractor hiring local people and training them. When I was there this summer when they started the construction a lot of local people were employed and had been trained on the job. It was a very good project. I would like to commend the department again on it.

There again, we don't have telephones available in those communities but in case they have telephones in the future, that should be looked at as well to have that in the building while they're constructing it. Perhaps if the Minister could check it out and see if that's possible.

In my constituency there are a lot of trees; and the communities are beginning to, through their resource management committees, identify the forest as their very sustainable economy for the future, if it's developed right, if it's logged right, if it's not clear cut and selective logging is used. That is the direction that some of the communities want to go now. With the trees, if we're able to get some sawmills into our area then we could make the boards and with the boards we will be able to build furniture, doors, windows, maybe roof trusses and so forth. That is the direction that a lot of people in my area are going. It's good that this government is buying manufactured goods from the north.

I know that the group in Fort Simpson have approached the department here to see if they could start a roof truss manufacturing centre in Simpson. To date, nothing has happened with it. I would like to ask the Minister if the Fort Simpson band company, the Liidti Koe Construction and Nikukoe Construction Group have approached this department with regard to manufacturing roof trusses for the government. Have they approached the government on this matter? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. About a little over a year ago now, I guess it was, we had tendered in the newspapers for proposal calls, expression of interest, for northern manufactured products. We got a lot of those expressions of interest. In some cases there was a great deal of expression of interest. An example would be these roof trusses. There were about seven or eight organizations or individuals that expressed interest in manufacturing roof trusses. That was for the Housing Corporation. We went to tender and the tender was won by a Yellowknife firm, Call 3000, or something. They had a one-year contract. We will be going to tender again because there's a great interest out there. The development corporation in Fort Simpson will have the opportunity to tender on those trusses.

According to the departmental overview of Public Works and Services, there are a number of items besides the roof trusses that are being manufactured and being purchased by the GNWT; products made in the north. Are any of these products manufactured in the north coming from the smaller communities like Fort Simpson, Fort Providence, Fort Liard, or any of these small communities? Are these manufactured goods all coming from the larger centres? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The windows come from Hay River; furniture from two places in Hay River; doors in Hay River; office furniture, Hay River; fuel tank stands, a small portion of them, Bearard Welding in Fort Resolution and the other portion has gone to Paul Brothers, I believe, or Back Bay Welding. Fuel tanks themselves, the small ones for houses, 200 and some gallons, is Back Bay again, I believe, or Paul Brothers, one of them, a Yellowknife firm. The big fuel tanks, five or six of them went into Hay River, Kingland. All fibreglass water tanks, sewer tanks, is Fibreglass North in Yellowknife. Fibreglass bathtubs and the tub-surrounds are the Fort Resolution Dene Band. That would be the only small place, Mr. Antoine.

Like all other Members here, we want manufacturing and employment opportunities in our constituencies. I would like to know how does a small community get an opportunity to get into the manufacturing business, to provide products made in the Northwest Territories to the GNWT. What does a community have to do, besides bidding against companies from bigger centres? Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess they would have to work with Economic Development, as well as the Housing Corporation and the Department of Public Works and Services to see how we can maximize the benefits to that community for contracts and capital that is going in there. That is our job, that's what we should be doing.

But, in some cases, for some things that have to manufactured, you have to have so many of them to make economic sense to begin with. I'm willing to explore that with the Member in his riding and with the departments I am in charge of, and request that the Department of Economic Development work with us to explore how Fort Simpson, Jim's area, for example, could benefit more from the capital projects that are going in there, through manufacturing.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is good that manufacturing is finally beginning to happen in the north. It is long overdue. There are going to be more and more opportunities. I think there are a lot of opportunities and areas where products could be made in the north and sold, not only to the Government of the Northwest Territories, but to other groups. There have been proposals and requests.

I'm sure there are a lot of ideas out there from different business people in the smaller communities who want to have an opportunity to expand in other areas. I think if the department is willing to look into these areas and work with communities to expand the manufacturing industry, that would be good. It is always good to have competition out there, not only to favour one community or one group, but to have the opportunity of having different products out there. This will certainly provide employment in the communities. This will generate income in the communities and the economy could grow.

This is the direction we are slowly going towards, and the government is definitely going in the right direction. But, on the other hand, the opportunity has to be there for other groups and communities to participate in manufacturing. That's all I have to say, Mr. Chairman, thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I agree with the Member that we should explore all opportunities for manufacturing in the north. One person even suggested that we manufacture the light switches that are now being manufactured in Korea. The population that is manufacturing them do not have a very high education, similar to ours. You can specifically train people to put these switches together; they are very cheap to ship around because they are small, and we could look at things like that.

We could look at anything and see what makes sense. But, Members must realize that some of the manufacturing agreements we have now are multi-year agreements that we would have to honour. Thank you.

Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. In the standing committee's opening remarks, they alluded to the issue that this department does a lot of the design and project management work on major projects. One of the issues in doing this type of work, especially with negotiated contracts, is the coordination between the sponsoring department or agent, your department and the people who are doing the work.

Most times, things go okay, but once in a while, things don't go okay and we end up with delays. Members in this House from the various regions have expressed their opinions on projects that don't go according to plan. One of the things I feel isn't going forward -- and I know that the department and the government are trying, but they don't seem to be making headway -- is when we try to do innovative things. For example, have a contractor do a design-build and let them manage a project. I'm just wondering where the department is in doing some of these design-build projects by a contractor or a sponsoring agency.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In every given year, we have design-build contracts. We minimize the design-builds. There were only five in the previous year's budget, I believe. Before, maybe about 10 years ago or so, there was a lot of design-build work. What we heard from a lot of the communities is, when you tender design-build contracts, you are basically favouring major companies or people with a lot of money to do them and it freezes out small companies and community involvement. This is what occurred in the past.

So, what we've done is we design separately, build separately, ship materials in separately and do all kinds of things to break the contracts down. Now what we're hearing from some people is that they want to go back to design-build. We, as a department, are open to that. If that's what they want to do, that's fine, as long as there are cost controls and standards are met. As far as timing of projects, Members are well aware that we have changed our capital cycle to the fall, which was a good idea.

But, only doing the one thing and the one thing, alone, doesn't mean you are going to get out to tender early or get your project started up on time. There is a whole process of involvement, with many different parties, that has to be followed to get the tenders out on time. One thing has come to light, and it is very clear: until we develop clear guidelines of capital standards and criteria, along with the client departments, it doesn't make a difference when you pass this capital budget, because you'll always have that problem.

We have to have a proper process and planning so when there is a project coming, the planning is done. There is a lack of funding in some departments to properly plan for capital projects, so that has to be addressed as well. Up-to-date versions capital standards and criteria, have to be developed as soon as possible with the departments so, instead of asking for palaces, we'll build houses and it should work better.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's good, and I hope in setting your policies and criteria that it's flexible because, as we're all aware, not every region and not every community has the same capability. If we try something and it doesn't work, let's do something else that works. I guess all I'm saying is that we have to be flexible in how these projects are set up. And what works in one community may not necessarily work in a neighbouring community. I think there has to be flexibility in the process to make it work. That's all I want to say there.

In terms of another idea of doing capital work, we all know that this government is short of money. And something that several Members have been saying for years is that where there are businesses or organizations that do have money, they may be able to build a project, a school, for instance, or a home or whatever, with their money; design, construct and then lease it back. That, in turn, saves the government capital money. I know it costs O and M in the long term, but there have been several proposals made to this government and each time, it seems to hit a stone wall. I'm just wondering what's being done to try and change the policy in terms of having an organization do the construction and lease back.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First, on the flexibility at the community consultation, I agree with the Member that we should have flexibility there.

When I'm talking about capital standards and criteria, I think it has to be laid out and it has to be made very clear to all parties involved that these are the 1994 standards of government for offices or whatever it may be: schools, renewable resource buildings. This is what is acceptable, this is what will be rejected. And if we have those standards and criteria and the proper planning, then you will not have conflicts between departments and DPW, and everything will be very clear and it would speed up the process. That's what I'm talking about when I say standards and criteria.

When you work with the community...I know that it's different in Grise Fiord than it is in Fort Resolution. So you have to adapt to that, and you should be able to do that.

The standards, for example, in a building that I know of is that they may want their own garage when they don't really need it because DPW does service vehicles, but that drives the cost of the building up. So we have to get those types of things in order.

As far as individuals leasing back to the Government of the Northwest Territories, it's been the direction of this government that we do go to lease back as much as possible. It's a more costly way to do business. Everybody realizes all we're doing is offsetting the hit. But we do lease all our offices and that's the way we do business: through lease.

As far as any other major leases that you may be referring to, I think it's something that has to be found by the FMB, not me.

That's fine and fair, but the front-line person, the person who is doing the initial project, feasibility or investigation of the project, is usually a public works officer. They, in turn, have to come back to someone. Once they get back to headquarters things seem to not get anywhere. I'm just wondering, have you, as Minister, made any overtures to FMB or the Minister of Finance or other people in terms of trying to change a policy in doing those types of projects.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't think I can speak for the chairman of the FMB, but I know anything that makes common sense would be received positively. If we have money in the budget and the money is clearly there, then I don't see any problem with us leasing rather than building the capital. But I want to see those dollar figures in the public part before agreeing to anything. Thank you.

I know of several projects over the past several years that made common sense. The financial backing was there for the project for the sponsoring group. There was a need and due to various reasons, safety being one, the condition of the buildings, a lot of work was done. I may as well get specific, it's the school projects and an office project. Once it came back to headquarters, they were told the policy doesn't allow for this to happen. That's why I raise it. Why can't we change the policy or change the system to allow for this to happen? It's a good idea, it makes sense, financial backing is there, the projects and the plans are in the capital plans, and to me we should just do it, of course with all the other proper conditions. But in this particular case, it didn't get anywhere, even with the engineers involved.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You're talking about the Fort McPherson high school project. That does make common sense to do that, but, ultimately, there was no money in the budget to do that. Even though the Gwich'in had proposed, with the help of my department and Education, financing that project, it was made very clear that that project would have to be jumped up a few years and it did not have the support to do that because there is a great need for high schools or schools in all communities. So that was the reason. That was the political decision. But it did make common sense to do it.

Thank you. Mr. Koe.

Mahsi. I know it made common sense, because as you mentioned the engineers, both the capital planners from Education, and the project officer from Public Works said it made sense.

Another area where sometimes there seems to be lack of coordination between departments is for most public buildings that are owned by this government, the O and M is managed or looked after by Public Works. Sometimes there are problems with the condition of buildings and the safety aspects, then other departments get involved. But there just seems to be a problem sometimes with the coordination between the sponsoring department and Public Works who is normally responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of the building. I would assume that in doing maintenance and upkeep of a building, if there is anything seriously flawed with a building, it would be brought to the attention of somebody through your maintenance people. So, I'm just raising a point.

Again, there is a lot of coordination and things seem to fall between the cracks sometimes. I'm wondering what is the department doing to try to address it, interdepartmentally.

Thank you. That was more or less a point with implication for a response from the Minister. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We do have regular scheduled maintenance for all buildings and we try to keep on top of it. Some things do fall through the cracks, like the Member has said.

Just to comment some more on the previous comment the Member made on the capital projects to get finances, I just checked with the Minister of Finance and the main reason for us not being able to agree to that was commitment of funding for the future government. Also, it was seen as we would have to fast-track one school when there were lots of schools needed in the Northwest Territories. It was just one school and it would not be politically viable or saleable. Thank you.

Thank you. The honourable Member for Inuvik.

Thank you. I don't want to get into debate. It's questionable; you're right, we're right and people in the community are right. It's something that has to be coordinated, and this government has, over the years, signed contracts -- three, four or five-year contracts -- especially municipal contracts. So that argument of committing future funds doesn't hold a lot of strength with me because it's been done before. I just hope that my original comment of being innovative and using the resources that are available within different communities or different areas, and the ideas put forward by different groups should be, at least, not so much acted on, but looked at. There are a lot of good ideas out there and there are a lot of new companies coming on the scene that have good capabilities, and I think we have to consider what they're proposing and, again, look at different ways of accommodating the needs. Again, these are needs of communities.

Some of the statements were that needs vary from one area to another. Again, every time, on every page, we see where projects are allocated. It's not necessarily based on need. There are all kinds of reasons why projects are put in certain places. But I won't get into that because I might get my ears slapped.

I just want to make the point that if there are capabilities, with proper financing and proper management, we should be looking very hard at the abilities of a community to do a certain project. Mahsi.

Thank you. General comments. I have Mr. Gargan but he's not in the House. Are we ready for line by line?

Agreed.

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Directorate

Thank you. We are on page 8. Section 9, Public Works and Services 1995-96 capital estimates, directorate, buildings and works, headquarters, total region, $65,000.

Agreed.

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Thank you. Total buildings and works, $65,000.

Agreed.

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Thank you. Total activity for this page is $65,000.

Agreed.

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Accommodation Services

Thank you. Page 08-11, accommodation services, buildings and works, headquarters, total region, $300,000. Mr. Koe.

Just a question. I know last year there was a motion passed that the department was to do a feasibility analysis and an accommodation analysis at headquarters. Was that done?

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, it was done, and SCOF was briefed on it and accepted it.

Mr. Koe.

I'm not on SCOF. Okay.

Thank you. Total region, $300,000.

Agreed.

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Thank you. Fort Smith, total region, $330,000.

Agreed.

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Thank you. Inuvik, total region, $113,000.