Does the committee agree that Mr. Kakfwi get some witnesses to help him?
Debates of Feb. 22nd, 1994
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The Chair Brian Lewis
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Sergeant-at-Arms, would you escort the witnesses to the table, please? We're on page 02-42, under grants we are looking at the figures $10,000 and $292,000. Mr. Kakfwi, could you identify the people you have as witnesses, please?
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Yes. On my left is the deputy minister for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs, Mr. Bob Overvold and on my right is Terryl Allen, the director for finance and administration.
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Are you ready to answer the question? Ms. Allen.
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Allen
There were nine grants given under the $292,000 in 1992-93. These were formerly grants that were distributed through the Executive grants program. The Ministry of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs has since had a grants program that...
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Can you try again once more?
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Allen
Can you hear me now? The 1992-93 grants that were given were given out under the Executive offices grants. The Ministry of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs had a grant program that was approved in October 1993. So, for the purposes of the main estimates, we have restated the grants into the Ministry of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs grant program. There were nine grants given in 1992-93
totalling $292,000, broken down as follows: St. John's Ambulance, head office expenses for $15,000; plebiscite information program for the western Arctic for $33,764; ICC conference in Inuvik for $50,000; to TFN for plebiscite information program of $115,500; Gwich'in Tribal Council, agreement signing authority for $10,000; Metis Nation participation in western constitutional development for $38,904; Dogrib Treaty 11 Council, for participation in western constitutional development for $2,000; Deh Cho Tribal Council, for participation in western constitutional development for $1,555; and, the Dene Nation meeting expenses for $25,000.
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Thank you, very much. Does that complete the list?
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Allen
I believe the Member wanted the 1993-94 grants as well. The $10,000 grant in 1993-94 is for the Metis Nation headquarters' office expenses.
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Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
There's obviously been a cut this year from previous years to the St. John's Ambulance. This is not just for St. John's Ambulance, take a look at all the groups. Why is the cut so dramatic, from $292,000 in 1992-93 to $10,000 in the current year and the projection of zero dollars for the next year?
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Kakfwi. Ms. Allen.
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Allen
The reason why it doesn't show an equivalent amount of grant money is there is never a grant budget set aside at main estimates time for those kinds of grants. The grants that come up throughout the year are passed through council and the FMB to gain approval to move money into the fund for grants identified throughout the year. At this point in time for 1993-94, only the $10,000 has been identified and has been allocated out of other portions of the main estimates budget. Last year, out of the budget there was nothing identified and the $292,000 was identified throughout the year.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Thank you. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Given that explanation, Mr. Chairman, at the time this book was printed there was $10,000 known about for 1993-94. Since this book was probably sent to the printers six or eight weeks ago, have there been any applications for grant funds which are under active consideration or have other grants been approved?
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Kakfwi.
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, I understand there have been applications. There has been a request for an additional $45,000. As to what groups are applying for it, we don't have the detail.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Thank you. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a question out of interest's sake, the description in our budget book says that grants are provided to aboriginal organizations pursuant to the grants and contributions to aboriginal organizations policy. I know that the grants policy has been revised as of October 1993. How, in 1992-93, did the plebiscite office and St. John's Ambulance qualify for this particular grants policy?
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Kakfwi.
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The Chair Brian Lewis
At the time when the Executive had its own grant policy. Mr. Dent.
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Part of what's causing me some confusion is that when the Premier appeared in front of the Standing Committee on Finance and we asked about what had happened to grants, we were advised that the program, along with funding, had been transferred to IAA. If you look at the IAA grants program and the IAA contributions, there is no funding. While the program may have been transferred, there has been no funding identified and no funding transferred to IAA for grants to aboriginal organizations. Is that correct?
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates
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The Chair Brian Lewis
Mr. Kakfwi.