I recognize that there is a lead Minister with a coordinating responsibility. But, I've also worked in government for a long, long time and happen to know that departments have very clear mandates. It is clear, if you read the departmental overview, that the Minister and the department are responsible for community governments. That's what they do. So, they have to be responsible and responsive to residents. In fact, if you read the whole departmental overview, it talks about building on its long-standing partnership with community governments and councils. That's what you deal with, local governments.

What I wanted to know is to what degree -- since this is the department that deals with local issues and local governments and what they do -- of involvement is there, really? Although I recognize the need for overall coordination of anything -- with almost everything you do, you have to have someone pulling it all together -- I would like to know exactly what the experience is with MACA in the community transfer initiative program. It touches very closely the mandate of what that department does. I wanted to get some idea of what they've noted as being difficulties because whatever problems there are, this department has to deal with it. Whatever isn't working or what they see as not working that well from their point of view, they have to have an understanding of.

Are you involved in trying to resolve any difficulties that may exist in any of the transfer initiatives that communities would like to undertake? Maybe I'll just leave it at that. If the Minister is not that involved and he doesn't know, then I just won't pursue it any further.