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Bill 13: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1993-94
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Fred Koe Inuvik

It is not $323,000.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

I am going to ask Mr. Ningark to come back here. I have a sore eye and it is not focusing properly.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Justice, operations and maintenance, legal aid, not previously authorized, $623,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Registries and court services, not previously authorized, $250,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

Thank you. I am curious about the court services for the Giant Mine offences. I thought that many of these costs were to be recovered from the federal government. Was any of this $250,000 being recovered, or requested to be recovered, from the federal government or is it a loss to this government?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, I don't believe that we can recover these costs. The costs include casual staff for court security of $30,000; security equipment; court security, $6,000; facility rentals, because the other space is not large enough, $14,000, travel for witnesses and jurors, $120,000; juror fees, which is a legal requirement, $50,000; and, witness' fees, legal requirement again, $30,000. Unless the Minister of Justice has more information, I don't believe we can recover these funds from the federal government, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Registries and court services. Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

This raises a point. The reason for holding court is because of the Giant Mine strike, which is a labour dispute which is supposedly a federal jurisdiction. We have no responsibility or could not intervene in that, yet here we are stuck with a cost of now trying to put Justice to work in terms of holding court and paying the costs. Something is not balancing here. That is why I raised the question.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Minister Pollard.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, Mr. Koe is correct. The federal government is responsible for the labour laws in the Northwest Territories. The strike was obviously their jurisdiction, but when a crime is committed in our jurisdiction and it is able to be brought before our court or the Supreme Court, we become responsible for the costs of that court regardless of why the crime was committed, what was happening around that particular time for that crime to be committed or what it was connected to. We bear those court costs because the infractions that are alleged took place in our jurisdiction. Consequently, it has to be dealt with separately from any other labour-related matter that the federal government may be involved in. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Koe.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

How much is related to this issue? How much has been recovered from the federal government for the whole Giant Mine strike? There is a huge cost incurred for the police strike force. Have we recovered any monies from the federal government that were incurred by this government?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Minister.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, I believe the amount that is in dispute at the present time is around $2 million. We maintain that it is the federal government's responsibility. They maintain that it is our responsibility. We are still hassling back and forth with them on that issue. It is around $2 million, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Inuvik.

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Fred Koe Inuvik

What is this government doing to try to resolve this issue of jurisdiction on labour in terms of mine strikes?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister of Finance.

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John Pollard Hay River

Mr. Chairman, I believe that it is either going to be or has been referred to arbitration. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Registries and court services, $250,000. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Corrections, $1 million. Mr. Koe.