Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As far back as perhaps 1986, I've come up with a listing based on public service population ratio. At that time, if my memory services me correct, I think in the Northwest Territories it was 186 per 1,000 ratio. In the Yukon I think it was 134. The lowest being the federal government which was 25 per 1,000 ratio. Those are the kind of stats I was referring to. I suppose there is a movement to look at cost-saving measures. I thought you would look at that ratio, too. I even made a motion, Mr. Chairman, in 1989 I think it was, to reduce the public service by 2.5 in the first year and another 2.5 in the second year. Whether it's percentage wise, but I did make a motion at that time to look at a reduction because our ratio was so high with regard to the amount of people we hired per 1,000. I'm not referring to the divisional boards. At that time, I believe that 186 was based on the public service population ratio without including the teaching staff.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Committee Motion 35-12(5): To Adopt Recommendation 28, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Gargan. Madam Minister.
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our department provides services to the departments in the government in recruitment for public service positions. We don't have control over other departments in terms of positions required.
Committee Motion 35-12(5): To Adopt Recommendation 28, Carried
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. General comments. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Maybe you could enlighten me as to what exactly this work-force adjustment program is.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Madam Minister.
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Like I said earlier, the work-force adjustment program is for employees
who either lost their position because of decentralization, privatization or consolidation of departments. We try to find them work, or get them training or upgrade their skills if they want to remain in the government work-force, or in finding another job within the government in a different department.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Gargan.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
So, then, this work-force adjustment program is only for the Department of Personnel.
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The Chair John Ningark
Madam Minister of Personnel.
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No, it's not.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The honourable Member for Deh Cho.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Then you move in that direction for all the government.
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The Chair John Ningark
The honourable Minister of Personnel.
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central
I didn't understand his question.
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The Chair John Ningark
I believe Madam Minister wants you to repeat the question.
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
Okay, Mr. Chairman. The Minister indicated that this work-force adjustment is not only for Personnel, so that means it is for all government departments. What I'm saying is that based on your response with regard to decentralization, privatization and termination, then you're moving in the direction of reducing the ratio, I would think.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. The honourable Minister of Personnel.
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Rebecca Mike Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes.
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The Chair John Ningark
General comments. Mr. Gargan, are you still on?
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Samuel Gargan Deh Cho
No, I am finished.
Line By Line
Staffing
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The Chair John Ningark
General comments. We are on page 06-8 of the 1994-95 main estimates for the Department of Personnel. Are there any more general comments? We will go by activity. Page 06-8, staffing, total O and M, $4.464 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Qujannamiik. We go one page back, 06-7, program summary, total O and M, $4.464 million. Agreed?
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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