In the Legislative Assembly on March 31st, 1994. See this topic in context.

Question 432-12(5): Status Of Water Management Agreement
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Renewable Resources. As I mentioned in my Member's statement, there was a meeting between the Mackenzie River Basin Committee and a number of First Nations chiefs on March 21 and 22 of this year.

The majority of the First Nations representatives at the meeting passed a resolution calling for their direct involvement with this committee. I have a number of questions about that. But, first of all, I would like to ask the Minister if he could explain to the House the current status of the water management agreement that the Mackenzie River Basin Committee has been developing during the last few years.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources, Mr. Kakfwi.

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March 30th, 1994

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As I understand it, the Ministers who are involved with the master agreement are committed to signing the master agreement as early as possible and the bilateral agreements that are to be attached to the master agreement, with Yukon, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and British Columbia, are close to completion and will be finalized once some consultation has taken place. Thank you.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. I would like to ask the Minister what is the position of the Government of the Northwest Territories on the resolution that was passed on March 22 with regard to the First Nations calling for their direct involvement in this agreement? Thank you.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the First Nations that met are of the view -- some of them -- that we should not go ahead with this agreement until 50 per cent of the management board for the water basin is comprised of aboriginal people. They also believe there should be some signature involvement of First Nations, including the 32 First Nations that signed the agreement, before the agreement can be executed.

I'm of the view that this is a management document committing governments to work cooperatively, share information and to deal with concerns about water quality and monitor upstream activities. There is strong reason to go ahead with the signing since it has taken over 20 years to get respective governments, for example the governments of BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan, to agree to such a cooperative approach in the first place.

This is not a forum to resolve constitutional and treaty issues. There is simply a vested interest on everybody's part, including the First Nations, that we have all-party commitment to work together. That is what the document is about. The people who are the furthest downstream, the Inuvialuit, the Sahtu and the Gwich'in, are the ones who are in favour of going ahead with the document at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. The Minister mentioned the bilateral agreements and the master agreement that is going to be signed by all the Ministers. I understand that at the meeting, the Members of the committee will take the requests of the resolutions of the First Nations to their respective Ministers who are responsible to see if the First Nations could be involved in this committee. With the reply the Minister is giving, is it that he is not in favour of having First Nations who want to be involved in these negotiations, as signatories to this agreement? Is that what the Minister is saying? Thank you.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the negotiations have been going on for a number of years and it's unfortunate that First Nations were not directly involved in those discussions, or at least to the extent that they should have been. I think it's shared by all First Nations that the master agreement should not be killed, as they say, but that they would like to negotiate some changes to the provisions. Namely, to see if we could put off the signing until there is clarification on the rights of First Nations with regard to water and the management and control of water.

As I said, there are some 32 First Nations that may possibly be required for signatures of such a document. I'm not certain that waiting to get those things clarified at this time is going to see the master agreement survive. So I'm not certain that the first interest, which is to see the management agreement as outlined in the master agreement survive such a condition. I think we are faced with either going ahead with it as is, with a political commitment to see what we can do to ensure that First Nations are more intricately involved in the execution and ongoing implementation of that agreement may be the compromise. Thank you.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. I have some concerns about that because I'm in an area where the First Nations have still retained their aboriginal treaty rights to all the lands and waters. Based on that, when the First Nations are requesting to be involved in that I have to support them. With that, I would like to ask if in the bilateral agreements were talking about a master agreement of all Ministers. The bilateral agreements are between the provinces, for example, an agreement between Alberta and Northwest Territories, Saskatchewan and Northwest Territories, BC and Northwest Territories, and so forth. Would the Minister see if the First Nations could be involved in these bilateral agreements? Thank you.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Madam Speaker, without wanting to give an indication as to the status of First Nations with regard to ownership or rights to decide on use and control of water, I believe that there can be some arrangements made through the existing agreement and the proposed bilateral agreement with respective governments to reflect the co-management approach that Renewable Resources has taken to all resources with aboriginal people. So I think it's possible to work on a co-management approach, if that is what the Member is suggesting, and to try to have that reflected in the bilateral agreements. Thank you.

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The Speaker Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho, Mr. Gargan.