Thank you. Mr. Minister.
Debates of Feb. 22nd, 1995
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Bill 14: Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994
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The Chair John Ningark
Clause By Clause
Bill 14: Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, the changes, as we explained in our opening remarks, have to be non-controversial in nature so as to not involve the spending of public money. The Regional Councils Act the way it is does not reflect some changes that have been made. For instance, the band in Rae Lakes is no longer a sub-band; it is now a band on its own, so we're reflecting that. We haven't made any changes about taking out membership of the band in Dettah or Ndilo Council also doesn't function by itself, it's not functional any more. What I'm suggesting is why are they tinkering with making amendments to the Regional Councils Act. If they're going to make these types of amendments, then they should make those appropriate amendments where they can clean up the whole act rather than just making these minor adjustments which will have no bearing, for instance, on my region because my regional council is not functioning at this point it time; it hasn't for the last three years.
Clause By Clause
Bill 14: Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
Clause By Clause
Bill 14: Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, it's very easy to resolve that because the Member is obviously unhappy with these proposed amendments and it is controversial, it no longer fits into our direction as we saw it. It is obviously controversial. So we're prepared, if the Member wants, to take out, for instance, under clause 50, subsections 8, 9 and 10 as they specifically relate to his constituency.
If he feels that all of the amendments proposed to the Regional Councils Act are controversial by nature and he makes his case, then we would be prepared to take the entire section of amendments out, even though it is far-reaching, it goes into the Kitikmeot, the Sahtu and a whole range of other areas. As I say, does the Member wish to make a specific suggestion to them? Thank you.
Clause By Clause
Bill 14: Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. To clause 50, Mr. Zoe.
Clause By Clause
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, I don't want to make our legal people do work for nothing. By making these amendments, we're making them do work for nothing because it's not going to serve any purpose. So I would agree with the Minister, because under this particular section, those three sections that he made reference to, I think, should be deleted; Sections 8, 9 and 10 in clause 50.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, I move that the portion reflecting subsections 8, 9 and 10 be deleted from clause 50.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Zoe, I'm informed by the Clerk that this is not the way we delete sections. Mr. Zoe, I rule your motion out of order. I'm informed that this is not the usual way of deleting clauses. Your motion is not the usual way of deleting subsections 8, 9 and 10.
---Ruled Out Of Order
Mr. Zoe, the chair is not clear what you're trying to do. Mr. Zoe.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Do we have the agreement of the committee that we shall take some time out until the motion is ready for presentation? Mr. Minister.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
Mr. Chairman, perhaps we could meet with the Member to draft it together since the amendment has to be done, in part, by myself since we need to make some technical amendments; for instance, in numbering the subsequent subsections.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister, you're requesting a meeting during this break to talk with the Member. That will be up to the Member and you, as the Minister. Mr. Kakfwi.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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February 21st, 1995
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Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu
I also need to know whether or not...I don't know if it could be done in 10 minutes or so, but we just need some advice on it from the staff here on whether we should defer this bill for consideration and come back to it later, or whether we have to start over again if we do that.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
We'll take a break and take it from there. Agreed?
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
We'll take a break. Thank you.
---SHORT RECESS
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Zoe, do you have a solution to your little misunderstanding or disagreement? Mr. Zoe.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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Henry Zoe North Slave
Mr. Chairman, after serious consideration on this particular clause, I realize that the government is making only minor amendments in terms of making corrections to the appropriate name and so forth but the concern that I'm raising is of a broader nature. Mr. Chairman, these regional councils exist only on paper at this time and that's the point I was making. In reality, they don't exist. I understand what the Minister is doing and the point that I was trying to make was that if they are going to make any changes to the Regional Councils Act, it should have been done right in the first place where these broader issues should have been addressed. Unfortunately, this was not the case. But after talking to a number of Ministers they assured me that the whole issue of the Regional Councils Act will be revisited. I wonder if I could ask the Minister, pertaining to clause 50, if they are going to make a commitment to making major amendments to the Regional Councils Act in the future.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. I believe Mr. Minister is pointing out to another Minister. Mr. Pollard.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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John Pollard Hay River
Mr. Chairman, last week I was being questioned by Mr. Patterson about the funding issues for the regional councils and I think Mr. Zoe is correct; I mean, they're not operating in his area. In January, there was a motion in Baffin to dissolve that particular council there. South of the lake they're not working either. Maybe it's timely that we did look at the piece of legislation so I will commit to the House, to the Member, that we will look at the piece of legislation to see how it can be amended to suit the situation that exists today in the territories. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Clause 50. Mr. Zoe.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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Henry Zoe North Slave
In that respect, Mr. Chairman, then these minor amendments that have already been drafted, then they just take this section and put it in the Regional Councils Act so the work's technically done in terms of the legal stuff. I'll let this one go and I agree with clause 50. Thank you.
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Zoe. It seems that we have had a fruitful 30-minute break. Clause 50, agreed?
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
---Agreed
Committee Motion To Delete Subsections 8, 9 And 10 From Clause 50 Of Bill 14, Ruled Out Of Order
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The Chair John Ningark
Clause 51.