Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have made some general comments already but I would just like to ask the Minister one question flowing from his opening remarks and maybe this is a perfect time to do it. On page 13 he talked about reinstating a $1 million one-time 1994 contribution reduction which caused the college to draw down it's surplus. I just took a quick look -- and forgive me for going ahead, Mr. Chairman -- at the funds allocated to the college on page 1520 and there isn't $1 million more by my arithmetic in the main estimates this year compared to last year. There is some more money but it certainly isn't $1 million. I would have thought if $1 million was reinstated we would at least see $1 million more in the contributions. Where is the new $1 million hiding? Thank you.
Debates of March 27th, 1995
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Just so there's no confusion, based on the formula, Nunavut college would have received $450,000 and the western college -- whatever name that might be -- would receive $550,000 but there is still a requirement on the part of the colleges to consider an administrative reduction of approximately $600,000. While we are restructuring we also have to review where we're placing our resources and that's one of the matters that has to be dealt with.
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Thank you, Minister Nerysoo. The chair continues to recognize Mr. Patterson.
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So, is it appropriate to use the venerable phrase: "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"? Is the Minister basically saying we gave $1 million but we took $600,000 so, really, we restored $400,000? Is that the bottom line here? Thank you.
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Thank you. We never cut $1 million from what you might say was the base funding. What we did was cut it from the surplus so that's what we restored. The other point is -- and I don't want to confuse anybody but certainly there's a requirement -- because of the financial situation we're in, to deal with the issue of cost savings.
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Mr. Chairman, I don't want to prolong this -- and maybe when we go into detail is the best time to discuss it -- but if there's a surplus that is being drawn down or added to, where do we see that reflected in these main estimates? The Minister said it really wasn't a reduction and the college wasn't allowed to retain the surplus of at least $1 million. Is that something we can see in these main estimates, this surplus, or is it something that Mr. Pollard holds in the fiscal framework? Thank you.
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Thank you. It's in the college, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Thank you, Minister Nerysoo. The chair continues to recognize Mr. Patterson.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Where, Mr. Chairman?
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Thank you. It's in the college books. In other words, it's in the college budget and does not show up in our budgetary process, in the actual allocation.
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
I will finish this, Mr. Chairman. Could I ask the Minister then, if there are surplus amounts in the college budgets, could we be provided information about those amounts? I understand there was to be a division of assets and liabilities as well in the college books, so could we get information about that? I think it will help us in looking at this budget to understand the whole picture if we could have some information about surpluses that would help us judge the adequacy of funding for college activities. I don't necessarily mean now, but if we could have that information while we're going through the detail, I'd be grateful. Thank you.
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One has to recognize that the way the budget is proposed here deals with expenditures; in other words, the expenditures of the department. It doesn't deal with the balance sheet and the actual audit being done to show what has been spent and received. There are other factors of college financing that are important. There are third-party agreements that are not part of the overall expenditures that we're not party to. In other words, we don't sign the agreement with CEIC on third-party expenditures or with other aboriginal organizations. Those are revenue sources which could help the resources of the colleges, whether it is in Nunavut or in the west.
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An Hon. Member
Detail.
Line By Line
Directorate And Administration
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The Chair Tony Whitford
Detail. Directorate and administration, page 15-12. Total O and M, $3.564 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Culture And Careers
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to ask the Minister -- and I guess this is under budget coordination and directorate administration -- what is the status of the division of assets and liabilities of the Arctic College? I understand there was to be a settling of accounts when the new colleges were established. Has that been done and do we know where there is anything in the bank, a deficit or a surplus? Thank you.