Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I won't be much longer. Mr. Chairman, the Minister mentioned investing in people and I know there's a healthy $6 million budgeted in these main estimates for us. I wish him and his officials every success. I suspect that weaning off welfare is going to be a real tough challenge because looking at the program in my constituency -- and there's been an excellent instructor located to run that program and I have great confidence in the instructor -- but looking at the students I see that they bring with them to class all kinds of problems that are beyond the control of the instructor. Whether it's family violence, other

personal needs -- they're often single parents; sometimes there are personal problems including alcohol and drug treatment that are getting in the way of training for employment.

I would like to ask the Minister, I know that the department boldly established a number of programs this year in a number of communities. I think it was done, I would say, boldly, but some might say in a rush. Have you had a chance to assess yet how these programs are working? How has the attrition rate been? Have you done an evaluation? Have you got some successes where you can say we've got some people now who are motivated or who are on their way out of the cycle? I would just like to get a feeling from the Minister. We're putting a lot of money into this, everyone wants it to work, I want it to work, but is it going to work? What's the post-mortem on the money you've spent this current fiscal year? Thank you.