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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, up to this time, we have only had very general discussions on the direction that the department is going to take on this regard. Just very recently we have received the final approval to move on it. Once we are out of this session, we will be dealing in more specifics with the Development Corporation.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am raising this issue because it is very timely because the Development Corporation is in the process of expanding their facilities. It will be timely if we can get this department and possibly Public Works to start talking with the corporation so that they can incorporate certain areas for the department.

The Minister has communicated to the grand chief and various council members that these positions are going to be moved to our area and the Deh Cho area. The Minister indicated after session, but session won't be over until the end of June.

A decision has to be made very soon because the construction season is just around the corner, as most Members are aware. They have to start ordering materials so that they can expand their buildings, certain things have to be in place. That is the reason I am raising all these questions, Mr. Chairman, so that we can do this expansion in an orderly fashion. So, I am encouraging the Minister, if she could, to move on it as soon as possible. Mahsi.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Madam Minister.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, when I made my response, I did not mean at the end of June; I meant after this session here. During break, or whatever the term is going to be between this time and that time. So, we are not waiting until the June session, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Community programs and services. Operations and maintenance. The chair recognizes the Member for Iqaluit.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Mr. Chairman, is this the place to ask about the community alcohol and drug programs?

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Mr. Patterson, yes, it has been asked in this area already, some parts of it. Proceed.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have a specific question about the community alcohol and drug programs. I wrote the Minister several months ago about what I consider to be inequities in benefits for workers in treatment centres and workers in community programs.

I was very grateful when the department was able to improve the salaries for treatment centre workers by providing settlement allowance last year. But it has created an inequity, Mr. Chairman. I will cite my community for example. There are alcohol and drug treatment workers working in the Baffin treatment centre who have this benefit. There are alcohol and drug workers working in the community program, Upassuraakut, who don't have this benefit. So there is an inequity there.

I would like to ask if the Minister of the department is looking at addressing...I should say that I understand that there are limited funds, I fully understand this. But I understood that the community alcohol and drug programs were being evaluated and that there was perhaps going to be more attention paid to getting value for money, perhaps deciding where money is being well spent and where it is not being well spent.

I would hope that an evaluation of that kind would allow us to improve the benefits to employees in centres that are determined to be doing an important job. I guess I am suggesting, even if there isn't additional money, that it can be found through the evaluation of existing programs that I understand is under way. If we are going to do this job, we should either do it well or not do it at all. And there is a long-standing feeling that we are expecting people to do important work with obviously less pay and benefits than employees in other area.

The other inequity is if you have an employee working in the mental health counselling field for the Department of Health, in a public health centre or a community health centre, they are likely to be paid a lot more generously than these workers in community programs. I am sure the Minister understands the issue. I would appreciate a response. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Madam Minister.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I believe that this specific question was brought up earlier. And we said that we would be dealing with the various drug and alcohol, and safe shelter benefits and the inequities in that, when the social envelope departments, including Municipal and Community Affairs, looked at the funding under the community action fund. It was agreed that there would be three priority areas to direct the community action fund and those are projects dealing with family violence, early intervention for children and families, and training for care givers. Hopefully we will be able to address those inequities through that fund, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Patterson.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Am I correct that the community alcohol and drug programs are being reviewed and evaluated with a view to ensuring that monies are well spent? Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Madam Minister.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Yes, Mr. Chairman, I believe that we are doing treatment centres and then looking at the community centres this year. As the Member is fully aware, some of these centres are a major force in the community. Others probably could be redesigned to work in another way and capture some of the specific community problems. So there is an evaluation of these projects to see whether we are spending money well and getting the benefit for the resources that are being expended. So that is being done. While we are doing that, it wouldn't make sense if a particular centre was assessed to be outdated for that community and we raised wages in that same community. It has to be done in conjunction and collaboration with what is being done and what the community's expectations are. Mr. Speaker, we are doing those two things that the Member has suggested are in need of being done. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Patterson.

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Dennis Patterson Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What is the time frame on the review and when will we hear the results? Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Patterson. Madam Minister.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we are beginning this process right away, but we won't be able to do them all at once. So there will be three or four done in each region starting almost right away. We should be finished with all of them by the end of the fiscal year. However, we are trying to move as quickly as possible to be fair to the centres and to the people who are working at the centres. We will move as quickly as possible to deal with them. The evaluations will begin almost immediately. We have the framework for the evaluations and we will try to spread out the work across the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. The chair recognizes the Member for North Slave, Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to touch on the same issue as my colleague with regard to drug and alcohol issues. Mr. Chairman, does the total amount of money that we negotiated in 1988 in the health transfer agreement...There is a specific amount that identifies drug and alcohol programs. There is a set amount of money that we receive. Is that specific amount accounted for in the main estimates for drug and alcohol programs specifically? Thank you.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Madam Minister.

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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, I believe the number in that transfer is $3.2 million or $3.4 million. If you look at expenditures on drug and alcohol programs, community and regional treatment centres, we are probably spending about $9 million.

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The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Zoe.

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When we negotiated the health transfer agreement, the specific section that I am making reference to does not include facilities. That money wasn't intended for the use of facilities. The intent was for drug and alcohol community programs. That is why we agreed to make reference to aboriginal organizations when the health transfer was taken over. We made sure that there is a specific amount of money allotted to drug and alcohol programs. It didn't encompass facilities. Is that amount allocated specifically to the community drug and alcohol programs? Thank you.