Debates of June 21st, 1995

This is page numbers 1471 - 1524 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was ---agreed.

Topics

Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
1950s North Baffin Bombing Incident Investigations
National Aboriginal Solidarity Day
4th Annual Pokiak River Music Festival
Failures Of Affirmative Action Policy
Ndilo Education Concerns
Appreciation For Support During Tenure As Mla
Importance Of Small Business
Appointment Of Mr. Dan Marion, Deputy Commissioner
Lack Of Dall Sheep Quota In Mackenzie Mountains
Public Consensus On Bill C-68
Appreciation For Support During Tenure As MLA And Minister
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Date Employees Hired To Replace Dismissed Bird Dog Officers
Criteria For Acquiring NWT Birth Certificate
Dall Sheep Survey In Nahendeh
Status Of Mine Safety Regulations
Reasons For Laying Off Air Operations Manager
Allocation Of Community Freezer For Arctic Bay
Decision To Eliminate Air Operations Manager
Maca Tracking System For Concerns Raised By Public
Commitment To Assist Laid-off Bird Dog Officers Find Employment
Conclusion Of Safety Investigation Of Bird Dog Officers
Return To Written Question 35-12(7): Revenue Raised By The Government Of The Northwest Territories Fire Management Program Through The Mars Agreement
Item 9: Replies To Opening Address
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 34: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96
To Amend Schedule Of Bill 34
Committee Report 11-12(7): Report On The Review Of Bill 25 -the Education ActBill 25: Education Act
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 61 Of Bill 25
To Amend Clause 68 Of Bill 25
To Amend Clause 69 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 71 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 79 Of Bill 25
To Amend Clause 84 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 100 Of Bill 25
To Amend Clause 103 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 117 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 118 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 126 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 136 Of Bill 25
To Defer Consideration Of Clause 151 Of Bill 25
To Amend Clause 154 Of Bill, 25
To Amend Clause 155 Of Bill 25
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So that I can be very clear about the matter of directions of the Minister again, in legal terms, directions of the Minister are policy directions. The other component that has to be considered in the responsibility of a superintendent is the Education Act and the regulations. That is the same situation for the bodies of authority that have been established.

There are directions from the Minister on education programming, there are curriculum standards that are set, and again, policy directions. The policy directions are varied. The inclusive schooling policy is an example, affirmative action is another. Those are components and are only a few of the many that we give. There are all other kinds of factors that have to be considered in this.

The definition, again, the legal definition or interpretation given to directions of the Minister is policy direction.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Clause 78. The chair recognizes the Member for North Slave. Mr. Zoe.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Henry Zoe

Henry Zoe North Slave

Just for further clarification. I understand that the superintendent who works for a division has to adhere to the policies, the regulations, et cetera, that come from the ministry and that he has to follow the Education Act and so forth, but technically it is the divisional authority, he basically works for. However, under part (2) of clause 78, it also says perform the duties assigned to the superintendent by the education bodies within the area.

So, say for instance, in my area, the divisional board is situated in community A. Now, if community B wants to assign something else to the superintendent to undertake on their behalf, then this section would allow him to do that; right? That's the only purpose for it being there from the way I read it. If it contravenes the act or the regulations, then you can't do it. I guess you would then advise community B that it goes against the act or whatever. It's just these other things that if the local DEA wants the superintendent to undertake on their behalf then that provision is there for them to request that from the...or he has to do it because it's stated in the act now that community B can undertake this assignment that's given to the superintendent.

That's how I read it. Is that correct? Thank you.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Zoe. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Good interpretation and correct.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Clause 78, with regard to the superintendent of the education division, maybe the Minister could clarity for me who is this superintendent answerable to. is he answerable to the education body or the area and if so, which education body? Or is the superintendent answerable to the Minister? Thank you.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. Presently, I can advise the honourable Member that it's based on the division in the regions. Here in Yellowknife it's to the two districts. The districts in Yellowknife each have a superintendent.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Antoine.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Another question for clarification. Clause 78, with regard to the superintendent, is this clause different or similar to whatever is existing now? Thank you.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I could ask Ms. Joyce to explain the changes of the role. Thank you.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Ms. Joyce.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Joyce

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This whole section is very different from the current act. The current act describes a regional superintendent, which no longer exists. A regional superintendent used to report to the department, to the deputy minister, and worked for the GNWT --very much a regional administrator.

What we have in this section is describing the overall duties of the superintendent to supervise the administration of education for the jurisdiction that the superintendent is responsible for. In addition, as Mr. Zoe described, the jurisdiction can describe additional duties, set priorities, make more specific directions that the superintendent then must follow.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Joyce. Mr. Antoine.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

So the education district bodies are the people that hire the superintendents and give the superintendent direction. Is that correct? This is a question through you, Mr. Chairman, to the Minister.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Mr. Minister.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Richard Nerysoo Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. According to this act, yes. Of course there are some parameters but, again, I explained that policies, the act, the regulations, and standards, those kinds of things are generally set by the department.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Clause 78.

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

---Agreed

Committee Motion 85-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 77 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you. Clause 79. The chair recognizes the Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Committee Motion 86-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 79 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move that we defer consideration of clause 79.

Committee Motion 86-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 79 Of Bill 25, Carried
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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. We have a motion on the floor to defer clause 79. The motion is in order. To the motion. Before we continue, the chair recognizes no quorum. We shall sound the bell.

The chair recognizes a quorum. We have a motion on the floor to defer clause 79. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Committee Motion 86-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 79 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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An Hon. Member

Question.

Committee Motion 86-12(7): To Defer Consideration Of Clause 79 Of Bill 25, Carried
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

The Chair Tony Whitford

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried Clause 79 shall be deferred. Clause 80.