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Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Rabesca. Members' statements, members' statements, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Today is a unique day for people in the Western Territory, to embark on a voyage into 1999 Division, and also to look at a new, coming together of Aboriginal governments and public governments. We have to take and keep in mind, Mr. Speaker, we are unique in a sense of the territory we live in, the country we live in, and the environment that we are presently under. We have land claim settlements. We have land claims being negotiated, we have self government processes under way, and so we also have a constitutional process. Keeping in mind that this is going to take us into the next decade, we have to allow the process to take its toll and allow the people a chance to speak. In regards to the process that we are under, we have to work together to bring people closer together than having two institutions of government - a federal government in Ottawa which consists of Indian Affairs, and the Government of the Northwest Territories who deliver programs and services on behalf of that Government.

We in the north have an opportunity to deliver a program for all northerners, I would like to state - all northerners. We have an avenue to allow communities that consist of band councils, Metis locals, hamlet councils, and also in larger centres such as Yellowknife, which consists of the largest Aboriginal community in the Western Territory to work along with the residents on the Aboriginal side, especially in relation to program delivery, and also delivery of healthy communities. We talk about community empowerment, we talk about allowing the people to live together and to work together in a new way of government. This is that opportunity for the people in the north, especially in the Western Territory, please take advantage of this opportunity. It may only come once in this lifetime. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Krutko. Members' statements. Mr. Roland.

The Need To Achieve Efficiency And Fairness Through Government Restructuring
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October 15th, 1996

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Honourable members. I would like to send greetings back home to my wife and children. Mr. Speaker, we heard

the talk today on changing the way this government does business. As we look back on our first year, we started out very eager to make changes. A large majority of us agreed this Government cannot do business as it has in the past. This Government was going to become more efficient and effective as MLAs and departments. So we set out to make a difference, a positive difference, and as these changes have been occurring, we have been able to get feedback from the communities.

Mr. Speaker, some of the feedback is not positive. There are people in our constituencies saying we have no plan. That we are continuing down a path that is not marked out, that our cart is without a horse. Mr. Speaker, as we look at the business plans for '97-'98 we need to look at exactly what is effective and what is efficient. We need to make this more than a budget cutting exercise. We need to ask - has the business plan for '96-'97 achieved effectiveness and efficiency, and we need to be asking in the upcoming business plans - will this achieve effectiveness and efficiency? I know that Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Ministers in the committee meetings I attend if the plans they are putting before me are going to achieve effectiveness and efficiency. Thank you.

The Need To Achieve Efficiency And Fairness Through Government Restructuring
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you Mr. Roland. Members' statements, members' statements, Mr. Henry.

Draft Constitution Package For The New Western Territory
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today a draft constitution for the new western arctic is being tabled in this House. This document is being prepared by the Constitutional Development Steering Committee, the Western caucus and Aboriginal summit. It is being presented today to the citizens of the Northwest Territories for review, this is not the be all and end all but a starting point where each citizen can provide input into the constitution that will govern our future. Over the next few months, we will be receiving input as to whether or not this draft is what the people want. I urge all, especially western MLAs of this government to make yourself available to your people, find out what they have to say, bring their input back, so that we can create a constitution that is truly reflective of the people that we govern. That, Mr. Speaker is our challenge, the real challenge goes to the residents of the Northwest Territories who will have to provide us with their comments and concerns. We need to hear from them, we need to hear what they like and don't like in the package, and what we can do to make this a constitution all and for the people of the new Western Territory. If we fail to create a constitution for the new Western Territory, we will be left with the NWT Act. Mr. Speaker, I think we are ready to go beyond this and can carve out our own future. Let's all work toward making this happen, for the future generation. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Members Statement, Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you Mr. Speaker. It is an historical occasion, one which I think will mark a time which people will either come closer together or there will be an occasion to mark this as a point when we widen the gap between our peoples' once again. Members will recall in the records of Hansard, there was a debate in the 70s where in spite of the opposition of the Aboriginal people of the Mackenzie Valley against the proposed Mackenzie Valley Pipeline. Members of the legislature at that time decided that the interests of Canada and the interest of the Northwest Territories was in supporting the Mackenzie Valley Pipeline and was highlighted by the rhetoric of members that represented Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, I believe that there was major damage done, major damage to relations to Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people. That was done in 1975 and has taken 20 years to get us back to this stage, and I believe that what we

require now is leadership, not populous, not pure politicians, but leadership, leadership that will challenge people to listen and hear each other. Leadership that will challenge the people to face their own misperceptions of each other. Leaders that will ask their constituents to confront the fears and the biases that they hold, personally, I am prepared to challenge my constituents and my people to rise above their own fears, their own needs, their own misperceptions, and to generally seek to hear other people's concerns and needs and see what could be done. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The member for Sahtu is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays, Mr. Kakfwi. You have consent.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I think recent political history points out very, very clearly that it is the Aboriginal people of the Mackenzie Valley of the north that have taken the lead in seeking change and have actually made commitments to the change. These are reflected in the Inuit struggling and obtaining, struggling for and obtaining a dream of creating their own territory, their own government. Aboriginal people in the Mackenzie Valley, Inuvialuit, the Gwich'in, the Sahtu, the Deh Cho have all stated very clearly and have some in legislation committed to creating new forms of government. But is still not clear and unheard that is still being demanded with the initiation of this discussion and public dialogue is the clear demonstration of the non-Aboriginal public that they too are prepared, not only in rhetoric but in some substantive form, commit to making changes to the institutions of government to the institutions that we are forced to live with today. Mr. Speaker in the next few weeks, I believe all Aboriginal leaders will be looking to the people of Yellowknife, Hay River and Norman Wells and other centres where the non-Aboriginal people live to hear some expression that they are prepared to make some substantive changes and to be open to hearing the needs of people and to discuss ways in which those can be met. Thank you very much.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Members' statements, Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

(Translator) Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seldom talk in my own language, so I would like to take advantage of it today and talk in my own language. What I will be talking about today is the constitutional package that was tabled today. The Dene, the Aboriginal people, when we are talking about the Aboriginal self government, that they actually want to govern themselves and the reason they wish to govern themselves is because they believe this part of the country is their land. When we are sitting today at the Legislative Assembly, the Legislative Assembly has been in the Northwest Territories for quite a few years. There are a lot of issues from the NWT that concern the North and concern the people from the communities that are seldom brought up today.

There are a lot of issues concerning all the communities in the North. There is one that we have really worked on, it is a paper on how we can work together, it is called the Draft Constitution Package, we have worked on this paper quite extensively and the Ministers and the ordinary members have sat together to work on this paper. We have worked on it pretty well all summer and after all the meetings that we went through regarding this, we finally tabled this constitutional development paper today. Why we tabled it today is because we want to hear the input from the communities. We would like to hear from them, what they think of what this constitutional paper, and if there is anything that they like or dislike about this constitutional paper, we would like to hear from them, and after all the consultations have been done... My time has run out. I would like to seek unanimous consent to continue what I am saying.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent Mr. Antoine.

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

(Translator) Thank you Mr. Speaker. What I am saying is the item we are working on is very important, so we should all read it and get to know it really well, and then we can continue working on it. Some of the people have not read it and yet, they are talking in such a way it sounds like they dislike it, but I don't feel that it is right. What we should do is, we should leave it, get to know it and discuss it and then maybe we can come up with something better. This is what I am saying today, and since at the time I would like to express that and in the future we can keep working on it, and the people who would like to have some input into it, they are welcome to voice their opinions. In the future if everybody is in agreement maybe we can eventually ratify it and I also think eventually it will be finished with and we are not the only ones who should be having input into it. In Ottawa, the Federal Government, the Minister of Aboriginal Indian Affairs and Northern Development, he also has to get to know it and if he agrees with the document and then they will be coming up with a legislation and through the NWT Act it will come about. I am thankful that I am able to talk to you about this today, and in the future we will be continuing to talk about it, so this is what I want to say today. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. I have some difficulty, did you make your statement as a Minister or as a Member. Just to remind the Ministers that they may make statements as Ministers regarding item that are under their responsibilities and that Members' statement is for other than what they wish to speak to, that is not their responsibility. Just to remind the member of that. Members' statements, Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you Mr. Speaker. My statement today is on the Draft Constitution Package that is being presented to the public for review and comment. Mr. Speaker, during my campaign last year, I went through the Yellowknife North riding. I heard many times that people were afraid that Yellowknife was going to become an isolated state, isolated from the rest of the west. Many of these people are long term northerners, others were not, but all of them recognized that Aboriginal people have the inherent right to govern themselves, this is a right of all people, it is an international law. These people were afraid that regional self-government negotiations would result in strong regional governments. Maybe, it would even split the west into several territories. These people are afraid the system described in the Bourque report could result in Yellowknife being isolated from the communities. They were talking about the "we", "they", "us", "them" syndrome. This summer and into late last night, I worked on this Constitution Package. I worked to bring Aboriginal self-government and public government together into a central government in hopes that it would not result in an isolated Yellowknife, and Yellowknife being a state unto itself. Mr Speaker, this is not a perfect document, but it is the starting point that people said they wanted.

People said that never before had this Assembly prepared a draft constitution for them to discuss. We have done that. There is a draft constitution for people to review. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you Mr. Speaker. In reviewing this draft package, I urge people to have open minds, to read the document, before you close your minds to new ideas. See the checks and balances before you criticize. Remember that

It is a starting point. It is time for the public to review the package, to evaluate the ideas in there, and to comment. It will then be our jobs to revise what is in there, and to bring something back to the people to vote upon. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' Statements. Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to rise as a Member for Tu Nedhe today. It has been exactly one year today, I believe, that all of us ran for an election in 1995. We have been here for a year, elected for a year; I think it took three weeks to a month to be sworn into office, so we have not quite been at our duties for a full year. I look back over that year and see the accomplishments of Members of this Assembly on behalf of the people who elected them. Today is an important day. The Working Group of Constitutional Development will later on today table "Partners in a New Beginning", a Draft Constitution Package.

That document has been a long time in coming. People of the North have said they have heard enough talk, they want action. They do have that. Now it is up to the people of the North to be positive and move ahead and look at these things with open minds.

Mr. Speaker, I remember when I had the privilege of being elected to this Assembly, some nine years ago. I came here with a fairly narrow perspective on life in general, because I was living in Fort Resolution, and knew only the riding of Tu Nedhe. I did not really know what was happening in the other parts of the North, especially the eastern arctic. Since that time, I have had the privilege to grow and meet people throughout the Northwest Territories, and people up and down the valley. I have a general feeling that people in the Northwest Territories want to work together to keep the Western Territory together and move it ahead into the next century, as a one Government system, where it recognizes that Aboriginal people do have a right to self-government. It also recognizes reality, that we as Northerners have to work together. That is the way it has always happened in the past, regardless of whether you talk about the fur trade, or you sit and you listen to what elders say. All the time in the past, people worked together. That is how they survived.

Well, I think today, that we have to work together; all people in the Northwest Territories--in order to survive.

Mr. Speaker, in my office I have this saying on my wall, that the press will always come up with the negatives, so think positive and try to get across the positive message. And once again, the press have not let us down, and they have come out on the negative. But that should not be new to any of our Members here, as long as the public realizes that you cannot believe everything that is being said in the newspapers.

This is a good day for Northerners, and it is a good day for all Northerners. We must move ahead. We do not need the rhetoric of some politicians already coming out, elected leaders in the North, speaking against this Constitution, calling it apartheid, calling it a South African-type document. This is good for the North. We have to work together. We will work together. We will overcome the negativeness and we will work positively and we will have the Constitution made in the North by Northerners by April 1, 1999.

Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin. Members' Statements. Are there any further Members' Statements?

Mr. Morin, (Translator) What Mr. Morin has said, I really agree with. It has almost been a year since we have been elected to sit in the House. There is a Constitutional paper that was brought out today. I would like to say something about this paper, but it is kind of difficult for me. The people from the western arctic, the Aboriginals, the non-Aboriginals, they are kind of reluctant when they think about this Constitutional paper. I would like to inform them that this Constitution is on behalf of all of us. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Ng.

Return To Question 433-13(3): Status Of Trailcross Facility Privatization
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I return to Oral Question asked by Mr. Miltenberger on October 8, 1996, in respect to the status of Trailcross facility privatization.

Trailcross will be in operation on November 1, 1996. To date no former employees have been hired, although one resident of Fort Smith has been hired in a clerical position. No other job offers have yet been made, since the contractor is still in the process of reviewing applications and interviewing selected candidates.

To date, two former employees have been interviewed. The contractor, Integrated Human Resource, is committed to hiring in the North, and has only been reviewing applications from the North. Most of the applications have been from Fort Smith. Interviews were conducted in Fort Smith during the week of October 1, and will again be conducted in Fort Smith this week.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 433-13(3): Status Of Trailcross Facility Privatization
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the Gallery. Mr. Krutko.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

I would like to recognize Pat Thomas, Teacher's Federation, also the union...