Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again I would like to congratulate the Tl'oondih and the Gwich'in for establishing the Tl'oondih treatment facility. I have stated in the past in this House that, unfortunately, it is not one of the healing centres or alcohol and drug treatment centres that has been financed by this government-rightly or wrongly. Our focus has been to try to support the institutions that we have financed at 100 per cent. Having said that Mr. Speaker, I think we have gone out of our way to try and assist the Tl'oondih camp in trying to support them in their initiatives which we feel are very beneficial. But one of the problems we have, Mr. Speaker, is the fact that we are trying to move away from core funding of all facilities. We are trying to move towards a per diem to make them more effective and make them more competitive in trying to establish a program so that individuals can feel that they are getting value for dollar. Providing core funding to Tl'oondih at this time would be contrary to our initiatives in trying to move away from core funding towards a per diem type financing Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
Debates of Oct. 7th, 1996
Topics
Return To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Return To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Minister is, if you are trying to get away from the whole idea of core funding and you want to basically use a per diem basis, why are you not treating Tl'oondih Healing Society on the same basis, to receive a little bit of core funding, and receive a little bit of dollars to deliver on a per capita breakdown for each night? The problem that we have with the system is that you are giving one group core funding and you are also giving them funding for a bed, yet you are giving the Tl'oondih Healing Society $300,000 to administer a program without core funding. So would you consider looking at bringing all treatment facilities under the same playing field, under the same rules?
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ng.
Further Return To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated
just previously, Tl'oondih is not a facility that was established by this government, so the fact of us core funding them to compete with our own facilities would be detrimental. And I think because of the fact we are moving away from core funding, that at this time it would not be warranted to try to work on an arrangement in that area, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Mr. Krutko, supplementary.
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, supplementary being for the Minister. Maybe he can tell the 30-odd people that must be laid off, the shut down of this facility would probably be another statistic in the Mackenzie Delta, which is the lowest in regards to unemployed people in the whole western territory. What do you intend to tell those people, in regards to their jobs? You are paying a facility, another institution, in the range of $761,000, yet there is a possibility of 30 people here being unemployed.
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
What was your question then, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
What is the Minister going to do in regards to the possibility of 30 people which will be unemployed if this facility is shut down, compared to the other facilities who receive core funding, wages of $761,000 which would that cost be on to this government?
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Just for clarification, the question is difficult to respond to because the Minister does not know what would happen to 30 people that are being laid off.
It is hypothetical, but I would like to ask the Minister if he would like to respond since a portion of the funding is coming from his department.
Further Return To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would say it would be a regrettable situation and I would sympathize with the employees. Unfortunately I do not know what the cost would be to this government at this time or layoff of 30 people from the Tl'oondih operations, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister reconsider looking at this issue in regards to the possibility of creating jobs and also keeping jobs in the area of the Mackenzie Delta, which is twice the average of the rest of Canada. Will the Minister consider re-looking at this issue in regards to the possibility of that?
Supplementary To Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Question 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ng.
Further Return To 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not prepared to look at the specific issue of the Tl'oondih funding at this time. However, I would qualify that by saying that we are, in our business plan, coming forward to the House, at a later date, looking at the whole area of alcohol and drug treatment programs throughout the Northwest Territories and how they are funded. I think there will be some drastic changes in the way that these facilities are funded in the future, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
Further Return To 407-13(3): Core Funding For The Tl'oondih Healing Society
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien.
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
October 6th, 1996
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for POL. I would like to know the present status regarding privatizing POL. Thank you.
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The Minister responsible for Public Works and Services, Mr. Arlooktoo.
Return To Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, as the House will recall, the Cabinet requested Public Works and Services to start the process of privatization of our petroleum products division. The Department, along with the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development issued an Expressions of Interest advertisement this summer.
The responses to those advertisements are being analyzed right now, along with a number of studies, and we are awaiting the results.
Return To Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien.
Supplementary To Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure if it is appropriate to ask this question now or not. The Minister can advise me.
There have been a number of comments and concerns regarding price control. How do you expect or plan to deal with this as far as the price will raise to the point where it will be unacceptable for the average resident? Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arlooktoo.
Further Return To Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, the issue of price regulation was one identified by the Cabinet as a concern immediately, and we had a study started. That review has been done and is being analyzed right now.
The options for price regulation, whether it is a public utilities-type operation or others, will be given to Cabinet, I believe before Christmas, and Cabinet will make a decision then.
Further Return To Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Question 408-13(3): Privatization Of Petroleum Products Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland.
Question 409-13(3): Hospital Replacement In Inuvik
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services.
Following on a few questions he had earlier to do with the replacement of the hospital in Inuvik and also, according to my information, the renovation of the Baffin hospital, have there been any further agreements other than the one signed 1988 with the federal government on the hospital?