Thank you. On page 6-10, Legal Services Board, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $5.102 million. Mr. Krutko.
Debates of May 22nd, 1996
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The Chair John Ningark
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On the question I raised a couple of days ago in the House with regard to the way money has been allocated and distributed -- based on need or based on the number of applicants for the delivery of services -- and the numbers that I put forward with regard to the Mackenzie Delta -- it's somewhere in the range of $6,000 plus versus other areas; it is a lot smaller: Is there any way that you, as the Minister, can have input into how those monies are allocated to be fair to the regions? Shouldn't there be some sort of per capita distribution versus the way it's presently being allocated, with regard to the numbers of users of the service?
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. After the honourable Member brought it up, I checked back into the matter, and there had already been a request made by myself to the legal services board to take a look at this matter. They are meeting this weekend, and it is on their agenda to take a look at the fairness and equity of the distribution of their Legal Services Board dollars. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Total operations and maintenance, $5.102 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Lawyer Support Services
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The Chair John Ningark
On the next page, and we are dealing with Justice, 1996-97 main estimates, lawyer support services, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $2.229 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Registries And Court Services
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Flip the page over. Registries and court services, operations and maintenance. Total operations and maintenance, $9.424 million.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Community Justice And Corrections
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Community justice and corrections, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $21.695 million. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to the community justice committees, could you tell me how much money has been allocated with regard to the 50 to 60 contribution agreements you said you have? What is the cost of maintaining all those agreements?
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May 21st, 1996
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am just trying to get clarification if the honourable Member is referring to the administrative component to oversee the contracts or if he's actually referring to components within the contributions? Thank you.
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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The Chair John Ningark
Clarification, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question was with regard to the cost of the number of contributions you have out there. You have somewhere from 50 to 60 contribution agreements with community justice committees. What is the cost to operate these justice committees?
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't know the cost of operating the committees. I can say that the contribution amounts in 1995-96 were $918,000, distributed throughout the Northwest Territories for these agreements, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Community justice and corrections. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
So you are saying that there is $918,000 to run 50 to 60 contribution agreements. Do you think that's a little low to do justice to such a program; for the communities trying to take on the program of empowering themselves, having more say with regard to sentences, how individuals will be dealt with in their communities?
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Sorry; was there a question, or is that a statement?
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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The Chair John Ningark
Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
The question was, doesn't that seem a little low for that many contribution agreements in order to do an adequate job within those communities, especially when you're spending in the range of $14 million for salaries and wages? Yet, for grants and contributions, you have about $1.3 million, which doesn't seem to be that high a rate, especially for the communities that have taken on this responsibility. It seems like there are just never enough resources in that portfolio to do justice to the people in the communities who are making an effort to sit on these committees, and also to give them the authority, when they do make decisions, to have the resources to carry them out. You do spend a lot of money, especially with regard to the top end which is salaries and wages, and also with regard to O and M. Yet, when it comes to grants and contributions, it seems like there is...
Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.