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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Deputy minister, Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon. The key issue that we are striving for here is to make sure the board trustees are closely linked to the communities they represent so when there is discussion around key decisions that are being made at a board table, there be an opportunity for board trustees to take a lot of the information and discussion back to communities. The Minister has taken several steps to ensure in fact now communities and political organizations signal their wish in terms of the trustees they want to have on the boards of management. I think the latter part of it is as much some growing awareness on the boards' part that if they need to make key shifts in policy they have to work as hard as people elected or working at a territorial level to make sure they effectively work with and discuss with residents of communities, the implications and effects of changes that are being proposed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the way the board decisions are made, the powers seem to have come from the headquarters level, given to a regional board, in which they have established regional specialists on some sort of a committee, that suggests what they think is good for the communities.

I do not know what the link is between the regional specialist and the people in the communities, in that they are the ones that made the decision to remove the mental health worker from Fort McPherson, with no consultation with the community or the health workers in the communities, to make that decision. It is left with the group of people, which consist of a regional specialist group or a committee, to make decisions on behalf of individuals and the communities. So I would like to know what the role is of these regional specialists, with the regional health board and how they consult the communities?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Through the honourable Minister, I would like to recognize Mr. David Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Mr. Chairman, with respect to the changes in staff that the Member is referring to, there was advice given to the board trustees on how they needed to change the staffing because the scope of the mental health pilot project in the Inuvik region had changed.

Over the previous years there have been three key contributors to that project. One of the key players could not maintain their financial support for the pilot project for this fiscal year. So the board had to make some decisions on how to reduce the overall staffing complement. The specialists gave advice to the trustees in that case in terms of supporting the staffing changes. This was not done purely at a staff or a specialist level. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is exactly what we were trying to get away from in order to empower communities and also allow communities to take on more responsibility in regards to the well being of the residents of the communities. Now we are back to leaving the power to a committee to make recommendations to what they see fit on behalf of those people we are trying to maintain the service for.

The mental health workers in the communities are there because they have been identified because there is a problem in the community to deal with mental health either in relation to suicide or sexual abuse or alcohol and drug related incidents. They are there to support the community. When you take that support mechanism away, where else do you go? In my region, we might as well say come in with the bulldozer and plough everything away all that related to treatment facilities such as the Tl'oondih Healing Society program, also Delta House and now the mental health workers in the communities. It seems like the power we understood was there to empower communities and give more responsibilities to the region, seems not to have touched home base. It is flowing down but it has not got that far yet. There is a lack of consultation with the communities to ask exactly what the caregivers want or what the community band council or hamlet council feel about these programs. That process did not take place. It was left to a special committee to state what their views were, which was a few individuals out of Inuvik. They did not even make an attempt to go into the community to consult the people on what decisions they are making.

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Some Hon. Members

Shame, shame.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

The situation in this case here was simply there are dollar pressures around what could be afforded. The kind of implications in terms of which communities need to be impacted are taken, I am sure, seriously by the board. They attempt to measure the relative impact. What we know is the board was unable to secure funding from all of the partners that were part of that pilot project and they had to make some choice around how they cope with the reduced funding. The board of management consists of representatives from the key political groups that are based in communities as well as the two major communities in that region. It has certainly been the Ministers' view that that group is capable of measuring both the community impact as well as engaging the community in discussions before key decisions like that are made.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have Mr. Krutko and Mr. Ootes. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It seems we are always using the excuse that it is lack of money, but we are able to fund a Regional Specialist Committee, which must take money to run and operate. I mean we are putting the money where our mouth is. Why do we not put it where the people will benefit the most, which is having mental health workers to assist people in need rather than having a committee in place to make decisions on behalf of those people to say what is good for them? If communities are demanding a mental health worker than I think that community should have the resources to do it versus having the money being spent at the regional office in relation to having specialists which should be in the communities.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I also have Mr. O'Brien on the list. I have Mr. Krutko, then Mr. O'Brien. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Mr. Chairman, the board is given the authority to try to balance a number of decisions in terms of which resources can be supported or work in each individual community and which resources need to be shared by all the communities in the region. It is our view in this case that they made the best decision that they had given the range of options that were open to them. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I will now recognize Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

I move that we report progress.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. There is a motion on the floor to report progress and the motion is not debatable. All those in favour of the motion, please signify. Down. Thank you. Opposed? The motion is carried. I will rise and report progress to the Speaker. I would like to thank the witnesses.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The House will come back to order. We are on Item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Ningark.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 17 and Bill 18 and would like to report that Bill 17 is ready for third reading. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the committee of the whole be concurred with.

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Seconded by Mr. Roland. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Item 21, third reading of bills. Mr. Clerk, orders of the day.

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, meeting of the Caucus at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, of the Ordinary Member's Caucus at 11:00 a.m., and of the Western Caucus at 12 noon.

Orders of the day for Tuesday, June 3, 1997:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions

5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Oral Questions

7. Written Questions

8. Returns to Written Questions

9. Replies to Opening Address

10. Petitions

11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

13. Tabling of Documents

14. Notices of Motion

15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills

16. Motions

17. First Reading of Bills

18. Second Reading of Bills

19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Ministers Statement 77-13(4), The Northern Employment Strategy

- Committee Report 7-13(4), Report of the Working Group on Affirmative Action and Human Resource Management

- Bill 16, An Act to Amend the NWT Housing Corporation Act

- Bill 18, An Act to Amend the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act, No. 2

20. Report of Committee of the Whole

21. Third Reading of Bills

- Bill 17, An Act to Amend the Territorial Hospital Insurance Services Act

22. Orders of the Day

Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Item 22: Orders Of The Day

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This House stands adjourned until Tuesday, June 3, 1997 at 1:30 p.m.

-- ADJOURNMENT