This is page numbers 279 - 297 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was financial.

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Question 91-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Task Force
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance on the P3s. A lot is at stake as I mentioned earlier in my remarks. We are in a sense mortgaging much of our future if we go for this program. The Minister has stated that he has talked to many people in the public. He hired the Coles Group to produce the report. There is a lot of information out there as I understand, Mr. Speaker. Lots of examples for us to take a look at. The Minister stated earlier there is a necessity to avoid accusations of political favours. I wonder if he would entertain my earlier remark to form an independent task force to look at the P3s.

Question 91-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Task Force
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

While I can appreciate my honourable colleague's concerns and as I said we have been in intense discussions - for example, I had four meetings with the NWT Construction Association, its management team, its elected president and companies - we have had significant discussions with the NWT Chamber of Commerce. Coles has brought to the table a Canada-wide perspective on public/private partnerships. I think there is adequate information out there. If my honourable colleague just gives me the time to bring forward the policies and regulations which I think will assure him that the concerns he has, I frankly, at this time would suggest that there may be no requirement for a task force. He has to give me the chance and the opportunity to answer some of the legitimate concerns that he has. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hear what he is saying is no. He will not establish an independent task force. Will he entertain and establish a public/private partnership advisory board composed of members from industry, unions and the government academia? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 91-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Task Force
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

You know, I thought I was extending to my colleague... I do not believe I did say we would not do that. I mean, maybe he just chooses to ignore my response. He should take the time as he should have done yesterday to read Hansard. I am saying to you that we are having significant discussions with industry. We have got general support for it. I am prepared to look at bringing forward a whole variety of safeguards that are necessary in this public/private partnership, and it may include some form of council as they do in BC and they do in other places. It may include that, but I am not going to say today, one guy asks a question about this, am I going to do that. One guy asks a question, am I going to do this? I want to come forward with a comprehensive strategic plan as to how we are going to deal with the P3s. I have made a commitment to do that. I will say again. I have made a commitment to do that. It may include some of the legitimate concerns that my honourable colleague raises. I am not going to answer today, am I going to do this, am I going to do that, the next thing.

This is a government policy that requires further fleshing out, requires further discussion with the advocacy groups out there. We will come to the appropriate compromises and safeguards that everybody wants, present it to committee and to the House and away we go. I am not going to commit today on an ad hoc basis to some of the requests that my honourable colleague is asking. I would ask him to give me some latitude, to give me an opportunity to provide him, as well as others, with the plans that we intend to put in place, the policies and regulations to monitor it and the safeguards that are critical to ensure there is transparency and there is affordability. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 91-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Task Force
Question 91-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Task Force
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Just to correct the record, Mr. Speaker. I was listening intently yesterday. The Minister keeps speaking of we. All I have on my desk is a report from the Coles Group. Could the Minister tell us, did he seek out other organizations

to possibly do the research in this area? Was this project tendered, was my second question?

Supplementary To Question 91-13(5): Public/private Partnerships Task Force
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

There were two questions there. Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I am at a loss. I would have hoped my honourable colleague, that I have demonstrated over the last two years the capability when you put forward a significant initiative like this that we would have looked at Canada-wide regulations and the ways in which this policy is enacted normally in this country and others. Yes, we have done that. I am saying again, I only announced it yesterday. If you will give me the latitude to provide this House and everybody else with the answers that he is asking for and which I will do. As to the second question, no it was not tendered. I selected Mr. Coles myself. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas.

Question 92-13(5): Funding For Community Firefighting
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently there have been fires that have been happening in the communities I represent. The fire last year took a life. I am going to ask the question to the Minister of MACA who is responsible for emergency measures. The last fire that happened in Arctic Bay, we were lucky not to lose any lives because the people went out on time. We found out that the equipment was not up-to-date. The apparatus froze on the fire brigades. The fire truck was frozen, so we had to use an ordinary water truck to put out the fire. My question, is there funding for equipment to be used in the small communities for firefighting? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 92-13(5): Funding For Community Firefighting
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. In the community of Arctic Bay when there was a fire, it is regrettable that there was no ready emergency response. Training is provided through MACA for fire emergencies and how to respond correctly as well. People have to be responsible when handling fires and when responding to fire emergencies. Apparatus, such as fire extinguishers should be inspected and ensured that they are in up to date form, whether it be fire preventative clothing. These are all issues of concern, and as far as the fire equipment goes in Arctic Bay, if the equipment is not adequate, then these things should be reported to the Assistant Fire Marshal who is in charge of the communities in the Baffin region. These things should be reported immediately to this person so that they can be looked after as soon as possible. We will look at the concern the Member raised and I will ensure that my officials look into this problem in his community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends).

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, not only in Arctic Bay, have I seen the facilities that fire trucks and fire equipment are in. The facilities are poor. In regard to Arctic Bay, the doors are not always not working properly. The facility in itself is not heating much. Due to that fact, the fire truck was frozen because there was a lack of heat in the facility. I have also seen pictures, in other communities; the facility is so poor that the building is damaged. Is there other funding available to renovate these facilities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 92-13(5): Funding For Community Firefighting
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is the responsibility of the local municipalities to maintain the fire equipment and also to make sure that their fire equipment and buildings are in good working order. If they need assistance, my staff is available to go and assess the community with their fire equipment with their fire facilities because this is a very important part of our department to make sure that the people in the communities are safe. It is unfortunate that individual communities the Member has seen, have not contacted our department right away to have their community's fire equipment or their facilities assessed right away. My department is always willing to help the communities maintain their equipment and also their facilities. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As for the communities that the Member is referring to and the incidences that he has witnessed, I will ensure that my staff pays immediate attention to the circumstances regarding their fire equipment and I will ensure my staff look at this immediately. (Translation ends). Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Question period is over. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, replies to the budget address. Item 11, petitions. We will take a 15-minute break.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The House will come back to order. We are on Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Erasmus.

Committee Report 2-13(5): Government Operations Committee Report On The Review Of The 1998-99 Main Estimates
Item 12: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

January 22nd, 1998

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to present the report of the Standing Committee on Government Operations on the review of the 1998-99 main estimates.

The primary focus of the Standing Committee on Government Operations is to review issues that have territorial-wide implications. It is also charged with examining the budgets and financial management of boards and agencies that are outside the responsibility of any other standing committee. As a part of this mandate, the standing committee reviewed the main estimates for the Office of the Legislative Assembly. The Standing Committee on Government Operations has always appreciated the high level of cooperation we have received from the Speaker and his staff in reviewing the main estimates and are confident that this cooperation will continue.

The committee also recognizes the long hours and considerable work involved in preparing the material required for the main estimates review process and extends its thanks to all involved, particularly the staff at the Financial Management Board Secretariat.

The committee will provide specific comments in relation to the main estimates for the Legislative Assembly at the appropriate time in the committee of the whole.

The Standing Committee on Government Operations also considered items referred from other standing committees of the Legislative Assembly and reviewed issues with government-wide implications.

The issue of human resource administration costs was identified by other committees and referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations. The concern is that there have been no savings realized by the government as a result of the dismantling of the Department of Personnel. The committee is of the opinion that the departments have been forced to take on the human resource function without an adequate level of funding from the government and that because of this shortfall in funding, the departments have been required to use program delivery dollars to deal with the increased burden.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time in committee of the whole we will be moving the following motion:

The committee recommends that an analysis of the transfer of human resource administration functions to the departments from the Department of Personnel be undertaken to quantify the net results in terms of expenditures and efficiency. This analysis should include the following:

1. A comparison of the funding required by all departments to administer the human resource function in relation to the funding previously required to operate the Department of Personnel;

2. A list of the responsibilities that were transferred to the Financial Management Board Secretariat from the Department of Personnel;

3. An analysis of the additional funds now being spent by boards and agencies as a result of this change in service delivery;

4. Information as to the present number of employees by department and region required for the human resource function compared to the numbers previously employed by the Department of Personnel. This should include employees at the board and agency level.

Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Government Operations also wishes to comment on the capital spending priorities of this government. Committee Members received briefings from the Minister regarding the Public/Private Partnerships initiative and, if the initiative is implemented, the committee looks forward to working with the government further and reviewing proposed projects.

The committee wishes to restate its position on capital spending priorities. During its review of the 1997-98 capital estimates and business plans, the committee indicated that it would be supportive of capital projects which are essential to serve the basic needs of the communities. This would include projects such as school, hospitals and health centres, housing, basic water/sewer and primary transportation links such as main roads and wharves necessary for supplies.

The committee's position has not changed. Any proposed project will have to serve the basic needs of a community as outlined above and should be subject to review and meaningful consultation by Members. Projects that do not meet these criteria will not merit serious consideration by Members of this committee.

The committee discussed the Keewatin Infrastructure Transfer Proposal and Members have serious concerns about its implementation. Committee members feel that this proposal to transfer capital funding and associated operations and maintenance funding to the Keewatin Mayors Group essentially moves toward creating another level of government. Some of the committee's questions, such as the amount of consultation done with stakeholders like Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated and the Interim Commissioner's office, remain unanswered. The committee's major concern is that this initiative, which is a profound change to the way the GNWT conducts its business, is being proposed far too close to the time of division. There are too many other issues before this government without bringing new and potentially disruptive issues to the table. The committee recommends that this proposal be postponed until after division.

Mr. Speaker, this concludes the introductory comments of the Standing Committee on Government Operations on our review of the 1998-99 main estimates.

Therefore I move, second by the honourable Member for Kivallivik, that the report of the Standing Committee on Government Operations on the review of the 1998-99 main estimates be received by the Assembly and moved into committee of the whole.

Committee Report 2-13(5): Government Operations Committee Report On The Review Of The 1998-99 Main Estimates
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Your motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Mr. Erasmus.

Committee Report 2-13(5): Government Operations Committee Report On The Review Of The 1998-99 Main Estimates
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and have Committee Report 2-13(5) moved into committee of the whole for today. Thank you.

Committee Report 2-13(5): Government Operations Committee Report On The Review Of The 1998-99 Main Estimates
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to waive Rule 93(4) and have Committee Report 2-13(5) moved into committee of the whole for today. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus, you have unanimous consent. Committee Report 2-13(5) will be moved into committee of the whole. Reports of standing and special committees, Mr. Picco.