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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. To the rest of the people who have not been mentioned in the gallery, welcome to the Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes.

Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A while ago we learned that the government has made a decision that they would retain the Arthur Laing building for government office space. Just to give a bit of background on this, last February as part of the office-saving space plan it was decided to sell the Arthur Laing building. An RFP was issued last summer to look for replacement office space. Apparently two responses were received and both of them were disappointing. Now we are at the stage where we are going to retain the Arthur Laing building and renovate it to the tune of some $3.8 million.

My question, Mr. Speaker, this goes back to the start of the Lahm Ridge Tower problem when it was to be taken off the market and it would have taken off 40 or 50,000 square feet from the vacant office space in Yellowknife, with the Laing building that was supposed to take off 50,000 or so square feet off the market in Yellowknife. I am wondering if the Minister of Public Works, Mr. Antoine, could tell us if he has an up-to-date office space rationalization plan that took this into consideration?

Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

The Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do not have an up-to-date office plan now since we have decided not to go with the sale of the Laing building. The department is still developing a revised office plan at this point in time. We do not have a plan at this time yet. Thank you.

Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

I am wondering why then, that decision is made to retain the Arthur Laing building. I go back to a year and one half ago when all the kafuffle over the Lahm Ridge started, why do we not have an office space plan that says, this is what we are going to do. We seem to be piecemealing this thing together. My question for the Minister is, when are we going to get an office space plan that we as legislators can also look at? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this decision which was made recently, I have shared this information with the honourable Members during the committee hearing last week. At that time I did indicate with my staff, that since the changes, we are revising the plan and as a result of the two bids that came in that were unsatisfactory, we had to relook at the plan and readjust our plan of action and we are working on a new revised plan at the time. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would not have taken a genius to figure out that the Laing building would not sell for much with the conditions that were placed on it. It would be an empty office building and with a five-year moratorium on office space. I wonder if the Minister could tell us why they did not look at this in the beginning, that they did not anticipate this, why was this not anticipated?

Supplementary To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you. It was difficult to anticipate the result of the request for a proposal at the time that it was issued, Mr. Speaker, because the appraised value was substantially higher than the two bids that came in. At that point in time with the appraised value, we thought that if we

could get something close to that it would be satisfactory. As a result of the request for proposal that did not happen. As a result we had to relook at the situation after the request for proposal process was complete and evaluation done by the department and it was recommended that we have to relook at the plan of action.

Looking at the numbers over the next ten years, it was deemed that the best value for money was to retain the Arthur Laing building and utilize it. After all, Mr. Speaker, we are still in the stage where we are very strapped for cash and it would have been more expensive to sell the Laing building for the price that it would have come in at the same time as trying to get more office spaces in the private sector market. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. We are spending $3.8 million to upgrade this building, Mr. Speaker, that is money also. My question is with regard to the appraisal, was the appraisal done, if it included the fact that the condition was included that it could not be used for government office space? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

Mr. Antoine.

Further Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member mentioned a number of $3.8 million, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this figure has not been approved by the FMB yet. It is an estimated value of what the department had come up with and it is still in part of the revised office plan. It has not come for a decision before the FMB yet. This is not approved yet, so it is still in the planning stages. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
Question 227-13(6): Yellowknife Office Space Plan
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The Speaker

Oral questions. Mr. Henry.

Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to Mr. Arlooktoo, the Acting Premier of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, we have just concluded a conflict of interest commission. It has been noted in the press that there is probably a figure of legal costs of under $1 million. My question to the Premier is, is there an update on that figure at the present time? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
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The Speaker

Yes, this is not under your responsibility, but perhaps you might want to respond? Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. You are completely right, the cost for the conflict inquiry, because it was done under the auspices of the Legislative Assembly, is a responsibility of the Management Services Board. I can generally pass on, from just my knowledge, that the actual invoices, I believe, will be for the conflict of interest hearing a little over $1 million. We are, at this point in time, trying to tally up the costs to government for the work that the government did on behalf of the Conflict of Interest Commission, in terms of requests for information, et cetera, and we do not yet have a complete total. As an estimate and as a round figure, those we expect to be an additional $1 million or close to that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
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The Speaker

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry.

Supplementary To Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Acting Premier for that information. I certainly do understand, Mr. Speaker, it is not part of his responsibility, but as there is no one else within the government that we can ask these questions of, I choose to ask them of the Deputy Premier.

Mr. Speaker, there are a number of the public who are outraged at the costs we have spent to date on this particular action. I would like the Acting Premier to give assurances to this House and to the Members of the public of the Northwest Territories that, indeed, the costs of this inquiry are finished, that the clocks of the lawyers have been turned off, other than the lawyers who are defending an action that may be brought to the courts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
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The Speaker

Again, I have to remind the Member that the Member cannot make an assurance on behalf of the Assembly. He can only make assurance on behalf of the government. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, you are correct. On the government side what we are trying to do is, review the process and review the areas that were referred to in the conflict of interest report and see where immediately that the government can make changes or improvements on. That is work that is going on, but we are doing it in a way that will try to ensure that we do not influence in any way the proceedings that will be coming up here in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
Question 228-13(6): Cost Of The Conflict Inquiry
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The Speaker

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry.