Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The new trade of insulator (heat and frost) is not a journeypersons certification. It is not an apprenticeship situation. It is, as I have said in my statement, like the younger brother of the

journeyperson's process. It would not therefore qualify for something like red seal status because I believe that only applies to journeyperson's certification. It takes a lesser amount of time than does apprenticeship in order to achieve the certification. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.