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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to thank the Minister for clarifying that and also for indicating that, well I believe he had indicated that he would ask at the next Financial Management Board meeting whether he could verify that and that he will ask at the next FMB meeting and if it is agreed upon, that he does table the terms of reference. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we do as an executive try to hear every request that every Member of the Legislature make and we are not able to respond to all of them in the manner they like, we try to respond to everything. If we could do everything overnight it would be great. As Members now and Ministers and the executive would be the happiest to be able to do something like that. All I can say is we hear the Member and we will try to get the information to him. It is not for me to decide that, I think we made that clear. The Minister of Finance is sitting here listening very attentively. I do not know if the Member is aware of it but we have all heard his request so we will see what we can do to share the information. If there is a reason why we cannot then we will probably be told about it. I am sure we will share that the staff are all glued to the TV sets watching us conducting business down here. They monitor everything and they will tell us probably within the next half hour or very simply first thing in the morning the reasons why there may be or why they cannot. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions? Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am just wondering if FMBS directed the Minister to do this operational audit as he indicated on Tuesday, page 609, why he indicated about one half-hour later on page 619 that in February, FMBS met and it was decided at that time to allow me to do an operational audit. There seems to be a big difference between directing someone to do something and allowing them to do an operational audit. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. I do not hear a question Mr. Erasmus. Do you have a question?

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I asked him why if he was directed as he indicated on page 609, why did he say a half hour later or however long it took the same day on page 619 on Tuesday, April 27, that FMBS allowed him to do an operational audit. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Erasmus I believe you are referring to the unedited Hansard which many of us do not have access to. I will allow the Minister to answer the question but I just cannot follow it because I do not have the Hansard in front of me. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Financial Management Board has directed that an operational audit be done. The operational audit is being done by the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. I should not have said allowed. I should not have, and I will stand corrected. It is in the heat of debate, question period.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions? Mr. Erasmus, your time has expired. Further questions? We are on page 11-19, Resource Management and Economic Development, operations and maintenance, $32.537 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Under Wildlife and Fisheries, Great Slave Lake has a tremendous renewable resource, unlike diamond mines and gold mines. It does not just end after you have taken all those resources out if it is managed properly. I understand, from talking to some old-time fishermen, that at one time we used to have closed seasons on the Great Slave Lake and we no longer have those closed seasons. Could we get an indication of why we no longer have closed seasons on Great Slave Lake fishing?

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Chairman, the federal government, I believe, has responsibility and jurisdiction over Great Slave Lake, over inland waters and fisheries. It does not appear to rest anymore with the First Nations governments in this area, so things are unlikely to change unless there is agreement to move on devolution or if there is some way to ensure there is a resolution to the outstanding claims of First Nations in this area for them to get some substantive control back over resources like this, that I believe the Member feels has been seriously mismanaged over the years. Thank you.

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The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions? We are on page 11-19, Resource Management and Economic Development, operations and maintenance, $32.537 million. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As indicated, the fisheries in the Great Slave Lake, of course, are a renewable resource, and being renewable, it means that it can continue in perpetuity if it is managed correctly. Obviously, if you do not have closed fishing seasons during spawning time, we are going to lose a lot of fish that could lay eggs. The fishermen have told me that we used to have closed seasons, but we do not now. I would like to ask the Minister if, during his tenure of Renewable Resources as the RWED Minister and Renewable Minister, if he was that prior to that, during his time there did he ever recommend to the federal government that perhaps we should have closed seasons on the Great Slave Lake? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As a government, we have no jurisdiction over inland waters or fisheries and management of that regulation, the legislation of that rests with the federal government. The federal government sets up advisory boards and groups to allow users and the public to have input advising the government on how best to manage resources like this. As a government, we agree that the resource is renewable, that it is something that we all depend on. It is a source of food and potential income for many people, but it has not been managed very well. We are always working on the side of fishermen and aboriginal people trying to find ways in which we can advocate better use, better ways of using resources here in the North that are now currently under the responsibility of the federal government. If there are suggestions that the Member has about what we can do in the next few months, for instance, to propose to the federal government, I would be very happy to work with them on that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Further questions? Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was just looking at page 11-18 which indicates that Wildlife and Fisheries is also responsible for developing plans and programs for the sustainable development of the fisheries resource. I am assuming that this would fit into that area. I am glad that the Minister has said that he would take it upon himself to look into this. But what I had asked and I am sure he is going to answer that very straightforward as he said he likes to do on April 23, has he ever recommended this to the federal government while he has been the Minister? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Minister.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just for clarification, I guess, yes, no answers are ones that my colleagues like me to give. I think Members of Caucus as well, Ordinary Members. It is also true that some days I like to give long-winded answers because there is always something useful in the ensuing discussion that often erupts into.

Back to the business here on the Great Slave Lake fishery, we know that there have been a great number of studies done over the years trying to arrive at a strategy that everybody could support and understand and support, for instance, for a commercial fishing industry on Great Slave Lake. I believe the staff, and I will be preparing an in-house paper that will begin to try to examine the different issues regarding fishing and fisheries on Great Slave Lake and draft a number of recommendations for myself to look at. We are going to look at people who use the lake, outfitters and lodge operators to commercial fishermen to subsistence users, aboriginal people, sports and recreation. A paper like this, if we can work it into a form that is acceptable for release, will be released for public consultation sometime this spring. We will work on the revised strategy based on the consultation we hope to have during the course of the summer. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jake Ootes

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps the Minister should be a little bit more careful in what he says in question period. Sometimes he likes to be long-winded because what he actually said was he always tries to provide straightforward answers. Mr. Chairman, the fishermen have told me that in the past, there had been quite an extensive value-added industry with fishing on Great Slave Lake and that, at one time, there were up to 30 people employed in cleaning and filleting fish and that this was then shipped down south. Today this does not occur. Today our fish is simply packed and sent out in a box. All those people that used to work in the filleting industry, filleting area of the fishing industry, are no longer employed. Perhaps some of them are employed, but that particular area is no longer available. Could the Minister indicate what his department is doing to revive this area of the fishing industry? Thank you.